Hey, guys! In this episode, I am chatting with Sara Faber, a full-time illustrator & visual development artist based in Berlin. She specializes in digital art and watercolors.
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Get in touch with Sara
- Website: http://www.thecuriousblueberry.com/
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarafaber_/
Key Takeaways
“Do what you love and when you have a downtime, just push through it and you will get there!”
- Professionally, Sara never thought art can be her job. She studied business communication and picked all creative courses to find her calling
- Sara describes her brand/style as colorful and happy, even when doing sad expressions, she wants to make people smile
- Sara wishes she knew that you can learn anything so she would start sooner. In the end, it’s not only about talent because everybody can learn to make art!
- Sara draws every day to see her own improvement. She would draw 24/7 but has to sleep otherwise the quality would go down
Resources mentioned
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- Art tools:
- Sara started traditionally with watercolors and charcoal
- Later she discovered digital drawing with Wacom Intuos and Adobe Photoshop
- and lately her favorite is iPad Pro with Apple Pencil and ProCreate App – sketchbook and doodling – she mostly uses only 2-3 brushes
- Resources to learn from
- YouTube videos by artists – process videos, bought art books – The Art of Disney, The Art of Pixar
- Color & Light by James Gurney
- Schoolism classes – character design and color & light
Special thanks to Sara for joining me today. See you next time!
All artworks by Sara Faber, used with permission
Episode Transcript
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Creative, artistic, happy! That’s you. There are endless possibilities for living a creative life. So let’s inspire each other. Art Side of Life interviews with Iva.
Iva Mikles
Hello, everyone and welcome to the next episode of Art Side of Life where I chat with inspiring artists five days a week. My name is Iva and my guest today Sara Faber. And in this episode, you will learn about how she decided to pursue art and why it’s not only about talent, but also about learning every day.
Sara Faber
And because I always thought okay, but I doubt people that can draw and then then people can’t. And it’s not just about talent, like nobody like, comes to the world and is a good artist. Some people have talent, some maybe not, but everybody can learn it.
Iva Mikles
Sorry, is a full time illustrator and visual development artist based in Berlin. She specializes in character design, digital art, and watercolors, which he shares on her popular Instagram account full of colors. So please welcome Sarah Faber. Let’s get to the interview. So welcome everyone to the next episode of Art Side of Life. And I’m super happy to have Sarah here. Hi. Hi. Hi, how are you? I’m great. Oh, perfect. It’s not super sunny today. So I’m like getting bit cold. I had to put actually a lot of lines here. So I’m like, go
Sara Faber
crazy, but the light situation because the sun is getting up and like getting covered again. But like, okay, it’s really bad in here.
Iva Mikles
Well, but at least we see each other. That’s good. We thought of it before the recording about like, growing up. And do you have maybe some fun stories from when you were growing up? Maybe some creative things. So what do you do as a child or maybe some artsy stuff?
Sara Faber
What I did as a child I have for me, like when I grew up, I always drew all the time. i Oh, yeah, I have one story that I recently told somebody. When I was in kindergarten, I had this friend of mine. And she also was drawing all the time. And then I saw her drawing this house, you know, this house everybody drinking, I got just like it’s just a house with. And it has like, a little bit of like a 3d shape. So it’s like very simple. And I was like so crazy about that was like how did you do that? And then it was like getting myself I’ve given myself the gall to go home and practice into that can’t do this.
Iva Mikles
Perfect. So did you were like three or something like no kindergarten is until six. In Germany.
Sara Faber
younger than six. I knew like four or five years.
Iva Mikles
Perfect. And so when did you decide it first? I’m like, Okay, I went to take this professionally.
Sara Faber
Um, I always wanted to draw definitely, but I didn’t never thought about like, this could be my job, because I just never saw the option actually. So I studied Business Communication in Berlin. And I tried to pick all the creative causes in order to find out what I what it is that I like to do, but I didn’t really find it. So then I had, like, I graduated, and I applied for a job as a product designer, because I thought this might be something I’d like. I didn’t like it. But I had like one month or five weeks or something between the graduation, and the first day of my work. And I wasn’t home and I was alone. And I was like, okay, so what I’m going to do now and then I was thinking, okay, I can make me like put my my effort into art. And then I started and then I started my Instagram. And then pretty soon after that I got the first commission. And I was like, that’s crazy. I just do something and I got money for it. And somehow it’s like a job and I can maybe do it and yeah, then I was like, like taking it more seriously. And I think that was the point.
Iva Mikles
Oh, perfect. Yeah. So he’s actually like me, I studied the businesses. And I’m like, I need to do something serious. And then I’m like, No, I don’t like it. Yeah. Perfect then. So what was the first commission Do you remember? Was it like a portrait or was it like an animal or something like that?
Sara Faber
This commission was actually a book cover. I was like really? really, really cool. The girl is like she already published her first book. That was a self published one. It was it. I think she was planning on self publishing it. But then there was a publishing company, agency, whatever. And they contracted her. So it was not a self published one. And now she asked me to do the second book cover. And then I had because it’s like, especially a connection because she’s like the first one. And it’s really cool to
Iva Mikles
do it. Oh, super nice. And then when you were like deciding, like, okay, like, Okay, I want to do this or the product design. Have you had like, advice from your surrounding? Or do like, have you received like a good advice and bad advice? You remember?
Sara Faber
Um, yeah, I remember that. In the product design job. I was very, not really happy. I was going there really just for the money. It was, it was fun. But I was thinking like, okay, when can I go home because I’m gonna draw, and I’m gonna draw and draw. And I was just thinking about drawing and drawing in the free time. And like, just thinking about drawing all the time. And I was talking to people about that, of course, to my parents, talk to friends, to everybody that I knew. And most of them they said, like, just do whatever you want. You have nothing to lose. You don’t like the job anyway. So you would quit anyways? Like one day? So you can just try it? And then yeah, and then I quit.
Iva Mikles
And so when you decided to quit, did you like save up money that okay, now I will like, it will take some time until I do like different jobs, or did you have like a job on the side? Or how, what did you leave from in this time for you?
Sara Faber
Well, what I had the job, I did freelance on the side already. And I tried to save that all up. Then I also saved the money I got from the job. And, and then I yeah, when I quit, it was like, it was the decision where I was like, I want to go in the art direction. And it felt right. But it was also super scary. But I kind of saved enough for that. Yeah. So
Iva Mikles
you don’t have to be like stressed out when it goes up and down sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. And when you’re creating your own art now, what is your main inspiration? Is it nature or like movies or something interesting, people might find like, funny or?
Sara Faber
Um, I actually get inspired by by buy. Yeah, just people on the street nature. Definitely. And I sometimes I have a dog and he is two years old. And he has a very, very funny personality. And I sometimes get inspired by him because he’s, he’s like, actually, he’s very shy and cautious. And actually, it’s like a lady by he wants to be the super cool guy. And then it’s like sometimes super funny when we walk outside and then he’s walking like he’s super cool. And then sometimes there’s a little I don’t know some something on the fly. Yeah, something like that. He gets like super like oh, like Allah said and then he’s just trying to calm down and again
Iva Mikles
so yeah, so he appears in your illustrations as well and yeah,
Sara Faber
yeah, exactly.
Iva Mikles
Perfect. And so if you kind of try to build your you know brand or the style or art style or kind of how people can recognize you, what is something which is always there, you know, like, you know, idea vision or mission kind of you are trying to communicate, do you have something set already
Sara Faber
that’s a hard one. I’m always trying to be colorful and happy more or less even when I do sad expressions or said things should still be kind of happy and I want to make people smile or something like that. But yeah, I don’t really have a mission. Not really
Iva Mikles
do you do you create now digitally everything or do you also do traditional for people don’t know your art yet? Or maybe you can advise what to start with or what you’re working with now.
Sara Faber
i When I started I started traditionally I started with watercolors, and I think charcoal. I did also this, but I started Yeah, mainly with watercolors. And then I was drawing with watercolors for I think a year or one and a half years straight, just watercolors and I Really fun enough of it. And then I started the digital drawing thing. I tried out different stuff Photoshop, procreate, and my favorite is procreate. And and now where I work as a visual development artist in studio, and I also do the freelance thing. And for the studio job, I have to work digitally because of the time. I do not have time to get out of my sketchbooks into my hands don’t have time for that. But I would love to actually. But yeah, the freelance thing I do both,
Iva Mikles
and then at work you work with, with Photoshop and Cintiq hour or do you have like an Intuos tablet or
Sara Faber
Yeah, into this one. But I try to really work with procreate times like I do both. But for me, it’s just very, very simple. I sometimes I just draw something real quick, and I take it to someone and show it. It’s like it’s more easy. And I can do a lot of things, but it’s just about like sketching really quick. I can do that. But
Iva Mikles
isn’t it confusing for you when you have to swap from one software to another? Or is it okay to get used to it?
Sara Faber
Yeah, it was I fell into the trap of only using procreate for too long. And lately, I was like, oh my god, I really have to get back into Photoshop, I need to be able to do both. So then I did it. And now it’s fine. But it was hard to when you’re not practicing both all the time. You kind of forget shortcuts or whatever.
Iva Mikles
Or like brushes, you cannot use the same brushes, right? Yeah, yeah. So then you have to like recreate similar ones. If you have like few favorites you use? Or do you? Do you use a lot of brushes? Or do you use like few which you like the most?
Sara Faber
No, I really just most of the time I use two or three. That’s faster to procreate, because it’s very easy when you can do Photoshop, you’re kind of perfect.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, I guess Yeah, that’s just it will take maybe one day to use it. Right? It’s like, okay. And when you mentioned that you studied like business and when you decided, okay, I want to draw more. And did you have like some cool resources you’d like to learn from? Or like books? Or I don’t know, YouTube, or?
Sara Faber
Yeah, I actually watched. I don’t know if it’s everything, but I watched everything I find. I watched a lot of YouTube videos, but artists and some artists do this like process thing. I find that really helpful. Also, I love buying art books, visually development books, the ones from Disney and Pixar. They have those add books. I like them. And then I also like the book called color and light by James gurney. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. This one is so helpful. And also I do school ism workshops. And they’re also very good. Nice. So
Iva Mikles
the Do you have like a favorite class from the school ism workshop? Did you do like color and light or character design? Or?
Sara Faber
Yeah, both. Right down doing the current light, and I really like it. I like how they approached color. And I also did the character one. And I like that I did stuff that I normally wouldn’t do. Even. Yeah, even when I give myself the task to create a character, he wouldn’t go. Like all the steps that they suggest that’s really, really helpful. Yeah,
Iva Mikles
because I did one class with also the actual feedback. So that was really good, which are actually quite expensive, but I think it was really helpful. And the other ones I did just without the feedback.
Sara Faber
Oh, that’s nice. I really want to do the feedback when one day. Yeah, I
Iva Mikles
did it with Nathan Fox, which was like, he’s really methodical. So that’s really good for me. I really liked that. So I’m like, okay, really good.
Sara Faber
Good.
Iva Mikles
Is there something you would like advice to young self, you know, something you wish you knew before starting out?
Sara Faber
I think if I would have known that you can learn everything I would have started earlier. And maybe I would have also not studied something that I don’t really want to do. Because I always thought okay, like, there are people that can draw and then there are people can’t. And it’s not just about talent, like nobody like comes to the world and is a good artist. Some people have talent, some maybe not but everybody can learn it. And I didn’t know that I really thought You have to be very good in it. And if you’re not good right now you cannot learn it. And if somebody would have told me that, like, you can do this, and you can be as good as you want to be, then I definitely would have neck started earlier.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, definitely. I totally agree. Because it’s like, even I think if you have a talent, it’s if you don’t do anything, then you’re not good. Yeah. Because when I was a kid, people were telling me, you know, like, I was the kid in the class, were like, Okay, you are drawing, but then I didn’t do anything for many years. And I was horrible. So I need to study just to get better and everything. So yeah, you’re totally right.
Sara Faber
And I think you can really see that every time you draw something, you can really see improvement.
Iva Mikles
So how did you app
roach learning? Did you like said, Okay, I want to draw hands today, or I want to do I don’t know, like, color and light? Or did you like set it up? According to classes? Or you gave yourself a year to study? Or how long did it take you as well?
Sara Faber
Yeah, I started to draw characters. And I, how did I start? I think, when I was a kid, I was taught those how to draw manga, you know. And I started to get to know more about anatomy and stuff, they really explained how like the head size, and how many times had said and stuff like that. And this is what I learned there. And then I started with characters. And I looked at, like, characters that I like, and tried to draw them. What I also found super helpful is drawing from life. I started drawing people around me, because sometimes you just wouldn’t expect something to be like when you just think about the polls, but when you actually see the polls, it’s so different actually. So this is very, very helpful to me. And then I didn’t go by classes or topics sometimes, like there are times where I was like, I’m so horrible and drawing hands. So I was like, Okay, now like from with every drawing that comes now we draw hands, I will not hide them behind the body, and the pockets or whatever.
Iva Mikles
I used to do that as well. It’s like, it’s like, oh, yeah, well, yeah. Buddy, do you still go through life drawing classes or just like the sessions, you know, when you have the actual live model?
Sara Faber
Yeah, I in Berlin, we have the Jenga and draw thing and I just recently got introduced to that by a friend of mine who works in the studio, she is an animator, and she was like, you have to go there, you have to go there. And then we went there and it was so much fun. And I went there several times after that is here
Iva Mikles
as well. So I quite like it. But now I found out also these life drawing classes where you can actually go and sketch different people who are like volunteering, like cosplayers, so they actually really liked the food like different costumes. Also quite fun.
Sara Faber
That’s awesome. Nice. It’s pretty hard. I think you’re trying costumes. Yeah, I
Iva Mikles
was like the what is it the cloth that you know how it is bending? Shapes? Yeah, that’s crazy. And now when you are like working on a different freelance project, how do you decide where to say yes or no to wait for you don’t have enough time?
Sara Faber
I decide a thing. Yeah, I decide on if, if it’s helpful for my portfolio. Sometimes, I don’t have time or anything, but when there’s a good commission, for example, illustrating a kid’s book, like children’s, I like doing that because it’s very, very good for the portfolio. So this is what I would do if I have time when not I would make time for it. And if it’s maybe something smaller that I can’t really put in the portfolio, and I don’t have time, I might say no to it.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, but if it is good for portfolio that’s really nice. Do you have some tips? Maybe how to put together a portfolio for someone who never done it?
Sara Faber
Oh my God, I don’t have the best example.
Iva Mikles
Like from your experience, you know, you do character design mostly. So how do you get put how many pages do you maybe have
Sara Faber
right now I’m working on my portfolio. So it’s still in progress. But I would definitely say put everything in your portfolio that you really want to do. So if you once to this amazing. I don’t know this amazing. Real life like portrait like real one. Maybe people hire you because of this one and they want you to do this and you don’t want to do it. So then don’t play it on your own. Your portfolio only put the stuff on your portfolio you want to do? And about the pages. Definitely only only put your best stuff on it.
Iva Mikles
If it is not too much, right? Because if there is like 40 pages and then you have something mediocre, then you’re like near maybe that’s not the good one.
Sara Faber
Exactly. So update frequently. And then I had this thing about, put your best, like your two best ones in the beginning and in the end, and then the middle of something. I think this is also very cool.
Iva Mikles
But yeah, makes sense. Yeah. And how do you now find new paid projects? Is it mainly social media? Or like you know, the networking? Do you go so for events in Berlin? Or how do you do that?
Sara Faber
Um, it’s mostly social media. Most Commission’s I get because of the Instagram account that I have. Um, also the website. Also some Commission’s coming into the contact form. I don’t really go to events. Yeah, I have to definitely improve in this thing.
Iva Mikles
So many. Yeah, there is the what is it? The Berlin Comicon. I think that’s like in the summer.
Sara Faber
Oh, yeah. Last year, I wanted to go but this it was exactly the weekend where I was somewhere. I was traveling. That was like, Okay, next year, I’m gonna go.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, I think I might join next year as well. And then I heard there is this. What is it called? Trojan horse is a unicorn. No. Unicorn was a Trojan horse. Yeah. So that’s what I heard.
Sara Faber
Yeah, but it is this is not in Berlin, right? No,
Iva Mikles
this is in I’m not sure if Porto, but it’s important to go. I’m not sure where, but they have to check
Sara Faber
me about it. And he said it was amazing. She went there. And she went to all the talks, and so many people come there, and I really want to go there to
Iva Mikles
see you. They’re awesome. And so did you also have something like, the bad career moment? Or like this, like the worst time where you were like deciding, okay, what do I do next? And if you had something like this, what do you learn from it?
Sara Faber
I think it was definitely the time where I wasn’t sure. But should I do the right thing or not? Or should I stay in this normal job getting normal money and having a secure thing. That took me a while to actually to, to really decide on that and to be brave and quit and do something new. But the company was very understanding. And they knew about my freelance thing. And they are very supportive. Also, my parents when I told them that I want to do it. They were also very, very supportive because they both run their own businesses. And they, they kind of showed me that, that it’s okay to do something on your own. Yeah, so that was kind of like the biggest. Yeah, turning point. But worst career moment. That’s, I don’t know. It’s yeah. It was good and bad. Because it was so scary for me. It was. But it’s also I don’t know, it was super scary and things like that. They really mess with me. Like, I felt very bad during that time. And I was like, What should I do? Can someone give me the answer, please?
Iva Mikles
I’d like a mentor or someone kind of like maybe a role model like okay, I want to be like this person that I don’t know, in five to 10 years.
Sara Faber
Now Not really. I have some artists that I really like. I really like all the Disney I just I look up to them. Like they’re so good. But also, there’s one person that I really like to you know, Anna bond. She’s doing the referral Paper Company.
Iva Mikles
I know the company but I don’t remember the name. But yeah,
Sara Faber
they do stationery. And I mean, it’s nothing that I want to do. I don’t want to do stationery, but still, she just started this, this stationery company, and she’s doing this or she started on her own and then her husband helped her and that was very inspiring to me to see that like there’s this woman and she’s saying that all and I really like that.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, because this is a really good role model. If you think about right if I want to be maybe they’re not exactly the same product, but yeah, that’s Really cool. And do you maybe remember also like, good advice what your parents gave you before starting your own thing? business wise, you know?
Sara Faber
No, really didn’t give me any advice, oh, my God.
Iva Mikles
Or something like, Well, maybe you have to know, like, I need to do my Texas by myself and all of these things which people don’t think about when you’re like, Okay, I’ll just draw all the time.
Sara Faber
I think they like, because they always did that. And I grew up just knowing that they both had their own thing. I knew that they are good and bad times. And I cannot expect everything to be perfect all the time conversions coming in all the time, and everything is so secure. It’s definitely like downtimes. And, yeah, that’s kind of not really an advice they gave me. But they showed that to me. Yeah.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, because you see it around you. So it’s like, normal. Think about it. Yeah. And what are the projects you’re working on now maybe something exciting, you can share, which is maybe not confidential, or?
Sara Faber
Yeah, in the studio job that I do as a bit of development, I just we do a VR experience at the moment. And it’s going to be like a short movie. So like, you put on the headset, and you’re going to be in this huge magical library, and there’s going to be a little bunny coming to you and you can interact with it. And that’s actually pretty cool. We are not done. But we might be in the beginning of next year. And I think this is going to be super cool to have the chance to work on something cool like that.
Iva Mikles
So you actually draw in the VR or you draw separately, and then it’s applied? Or how do you interact with it with this?
Sara Faber
I would love to join the I definitely you can do that. But I didn’t have the time yet to I mean, I did something but I really want to take my time and sit there for hours and just practicing drawing in VR. But for now, I just really died and like digitally do the concepts and give them to our 3d modeler, a meter. So 3d models, then it’s gonna go to the animator, and they animated and then it’s going to be implemented in this story. Oh,
Iva Mikles
nice. Super cool. Yeah. Because that sounds really good that if you are like in a library, you can check out different things. Yeah, it also yesterday, I saw this video where someone was actually like, they put together library of sketchbooks. So it’s just like a sketchbook library. So maybe you can implement some sketchbooks and some art books.
Sara Faber
Yeah, that’s nice. That’s actually really cool. I would love to in a library full of other people’s sketchbook.
Iva Mikles
That’s such a good idea. I was like, I’m just like, so going there.
Sara Faber
Yeah, I’m gonna suggest it.
Iva Mikles
Perfect. And so when you are creating also yourself, do you have like a favorite character or something you created so far? Like, this is something you remember the most?
Sara Faber
I think, yeah, I think it’s the first painting Wireles that I ever did with watercolor that I was kind of proud of. Yeah, I cannot really show it now. But it’s just a girl, like a traveling girl behind front of big leaves. And I remember, I took I don’t know, three days or four days for it. And it’s just a very small painting. But it took me forever. And I was sitting on the balcony and inside on a balcony. And as I was sitting there all the time and changing places because I wasn’t sure if the sun is good for it. If I should have sit outside as I should sit inside, it was so unsure. But everything that I did, and also every stroke that I did, but it turned out pretty cool for the beginning. And that’s actually I think my favorite.
Iva Mikles
Perfect and so now how long does it take you to create the drawing or how I mean, like depends, of course how complex it is. But like when you know normally draw, like every day, like how does your day look like with like, how many hours do you draw and if you can take us through this classic Day of yours.
Sara Faber
Sure. I have actually everyday is the same for me. I get up in the morning and then I take a shot at breakfast and go for a walk my dog and I go to the studio, and then it’s like nine or 930 and then I start trying and to six or seven and then I go home and sometimes I keep drawing my personal stuff sometimes and I do it in the lunch break or in the morning. Actually, I do all day, every day, also on the weekends.
Iva Mikles
Because some people like don’t sleep enough, they just throw like, I mean sleep like four hours and they draw all night. So you are okay with like drawing your sleep normally
Sara Faber
do that when I had like some commissions, and I couldn’t really manage my time. But I really saw like, the quality is decreasing. Like the quality is so bad. So I really have to focus on my sleep pattern to be good to get my seven or eight hours of sleep and then I can draw again.
Iva Mikles
And do you have like a home studio? Where do you draw? Or do we just draw you know, like on the dining table or like some area of your of your house or flood?
Sara Faber
I have room I have another teeny tiny studio. And I have my my drawings on the laws and all the tablets and sketchbooks and yeah, I like it. But I would like to have one day. That’s a dream that I have to have, like a studio not in the house, but not here. Just to like go there in the morning. Go to your own studio and full of plants. And colors. Yeah, that would be so cool.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, that sounds really nice. Yeah. Because now also they do this co working spaces. So maybe there is something like that also in the in your area, which is maybe not expensive. And maybe
Sara Faber
I already checked some co working spaces, but most of them are expensive. But yeah, we check for cheaper ones.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, well, that sounds really good. And then let’s talk about the future and like future studios. And so how would you imagine your like dream scenario in like five to 10 years, maybe what are you working on? Maybe projects you would like to do?
Sara Faber
I think I think I have to, to dreams to sounds weird. But I have like this one thing is just to be able to develop an artist fun animation studio. That’s pretty cool to have a team to have like supervisors and to just like have half the backers for now I work mainly alone. And I do things and I never know if they’re good or not, because nobody’s giving feedback. But sometimes sometimes it’s cool. Sometimes it’s also not so cool. And then the other thing is the studio, I would love to have the studio and maybe to be just a freelancer to development artists. If I can’t make it to the studio. I definitely the job is definitely set
Iva Mikles
up. Perfect. Yeah, that’s great. I’m looking forward to see you all of that. Maybe you can have like a big team of people, you know, and you can make a studio for like, European animation.
Sara Faber
Yeah, that’s nice.
Iva Mikles
I would like that. And what about like really far, far future and, like 100 years? What would you like to be remembered for?
Sara Faber
Oh Huh, hmm. I think yeah, I think so my artwork, I would like to people see it and they say, oh, Sarah made that right, like something that I find maybe a style that fits to kind of everything but also put my own, like, bite into it. So people would see what I what I like what I did. That would be really cool. And maybe one day I also going to publish a book or something something for myself
Iva Mikles
would be nice. Yeah. Like art book tutorial book something. Yeah. That would be perfect. And so and before we finish, maybe you can share, like last piece of advice or key takeaway, and then after that, we will say goodbye.
Sara Faber
Okay, um, I think what what I think it’s most important is to do what you love. And also when you when you maybe doubt that it’s going to work out at the end. Or maybe sometimes you have like downtimes or swell breaks or something. Don’t give up and just Yeah, keep pushing through it one day you get the
Iva Mikles
nice, I like thank you so much again for being here.
Sara Faber
Thank you for having me. It was so nice.
Iva Mikles
Like Oh, my pleasure. So I really enjoyed this conversation and yeah, and thanks, everyone for joining and see you in the next episode. Hope you guys enjoyed this interview. You can find all the resources mentioned in this episode at artsideoflife.com. Just type a kid’s name in the search Aren’t there is also a little freebie waiting for you so go check it out. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a review on iTunes hopefully five stars so I can read and inspire more people like you. Also, don’t forget to subscribe to our site of life book cast, because I post new interview every single workday. If you want to watch the interviews, head over to artsideoflife.com/youtube. Thank you so much for listening. Don’t forget to inspire each other. And I will talk to you guys in the next episode. Bye.
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