Ep.44: Chloe Rose on personality of the artist is as important as the art itself

By Iva Mikles •  Updated: Nov 03, 2017 •  Interviews

Chloe Rose, also known as MsChlosey is a self-taught 23-year-old artist who can be found making Disney art and watching Doctor Who.

She has very entertaining and insightful videos for artists on Youtube, where she is constantly growing her community. She just reached 50,000 Followers! I especially love her artist-hacks videos filled with many great tips and testing new art supplies. Chloe is just finishing up her degree in computer science and as she says she would love to combine her love for art with web development some day.

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Key Takeaways

“Don’t stop practicing, don’t give up, don’t take constructive criticism too harshly, use it to grow!”

Resources mentioned

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Special thanks to Chloe for joining me today. See you next time!

All artworks by Chloe Rose, used with permission

Episode Transcript

Announcer

Creative, artistic, happy! That’s you. There are endless possibilities for living a creative life. So let’s inspire each other. Art Side of Life interviews with Iva.

Iva Mikles

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the next episode of Art Side of Life where it’s all about how you can turn your creative passion into a profession. My name is Iva, and my guest today is an artist and YouTuber originally from UK now living in United States. She’s a huge fan of this nice Doctor Who and Star Wars, mostly creating fan art, and now gradually focusing more on original pieces as well. She has very entertaining and insightful videos for artists on YouTube, where she is constantly growing her community of almost 100,000 subscribers. I especially love her artists, Hex videos filled with many great tips, and testing new art supplies. She just finished her degree in computer science. And as she says she would love to combine her love for art with web development someday. So please welcome Chloe Rose, and let’s get to the interview. Hi, everyone, and welcome to this episode Art Side of Life. And I’m super happy to welcome our guest today, Chloe. Hi.

Chloe Rose

Hello. Thank you for having me. I’m very flattered. Yeah. Oh,

Iva Mikles

so happy to have you here. And I would like to start with some questions about your background. And maybe you can tell us some story about how you first time realize you wanting to work with art?

Chloe Rose

Yeah, definitely. I mean, for as long as I can remember, pretty much I have absolutely loved to draw. I’ve got pictures actually from old friends that they’ve they’ve sent me when I was about like two or three years old and had like a picture of a horse in my hand I draw on it was really bad, obviously. But it’s just I’ve always I’ve always loved to draw. And I always used to love like I say art class, but it’s like, you know, obviously when you’re little, it’s all just making crafts and clay and stuff. But I always used to love drawing and just doing stuff like that. So it’s been something that’s been in my life for a really long time. And I used to draw a lot with my mom and my my granddad because they’re both very talented at it. It’s definitely like in the family. But it wasn’t until I was about 16 years old, I started playing this old Facebook game, and I met a few people on there. And they had like these little canvases you could draw on. And it was a lot of fun. And then one of the girls that I met on that she said, Well, there’s this other game now that I’ve just brought out that you know, you have a lot more features on these canvases, you know, you have like, opacity, and you can just really go to town with it. So, yeah, I started doing that. And I would see other other like players of the game that were amazing artists, and I would constantly strive to be as good as then. So that’s pretty much where it started off. And then I just started working outside in Photoshop, and I sort of didn’t get in the game anymore. And I just kept going with it really.

Iva Mikles

It’s pretty cool. And so but you mentioned in one of your videos as well, did you study something else? Now? Can you talk about that as well? Like how you kind of transition from the I think computer science, right?

Chloe Rose

Right? Yes. And I got a degree in computer science, I started in the end of 2012. I just turned 19. And I went to computer science because I really enjoyed web development and kind of going into art school wasn’t really something I ever considered, I didn’t think it was gonna be a job. For me, it was just kind of a hobby. It wasn’t until I really you know, I started doing art videos on YouTube that I felt that more could come from it. And when my channel started growing last year, I was like, well, maybe I could, you know, have this least as a part time job on the side. And then do you know computer science elsewhere? Or just try and do my best to read repin the opportunities from YouTube? And art in general? I guess so. Yeah.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And do you remember when you first told your parents like you want to work with art?

Chloe Rose

Well, it wasn’t really a surprise for my mom, I you know, she always knew I loved art. And my parents are incredibly supportive. And I’m very lucky. They’re very, they allow me to be flexible. And they’re so incredibly encouraging of what I do. And they’re just like, you know, as long as you’re happy, you know, you can’t sort of give up on your dreams, you’ve got to you know, do your best to enjoy work because your your work in most of your life. You want to make sure that you’re enjoying what you do. And my boyfriend says the same to me as well. So I’ve got such a lovely, you know, the people around me have just very supportive so I’m very lucky for that.

Iva Mikles

That’s really great. Yeah, because I also read this quote now recently that someone said like, yeah, you have to love what you work. And then it was like the author of the quote was like every successful person was like, Okay, pretty

Chloe Rose

much yeah, yeah. Yep, definitely, definitely agree with that

Iva Mikles

you think about like, what was maybe the best advice you ever received?

Chloe Rose

Oh, that’s, that’s a tough one. I think really, it’s just don’t ever give up. And you’ve just got to practice. I think that’s probably literally the best advice I’ve had from multiple people just don’t give up and keep practicing until you. You know, you get where you want to be. Don’t let anybody tell you that you can’t do something. Pretty much, you know, sounds cliche, but that’s pretty much the best advice I’ve ever been given.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And then you also decided to give good advice, also in the YouTube videos, right? And kind of what not make you to do this, but kind of what inspired you to share your stories with artists?

Chloe Rose

Well, I just feel like it’s nice to another a lot of young artists that follow me, and they watch my videos. And I just feel very humbled by that. And I also have a lot of older people that watch me as well and leave such lovely comments. So I just feel like it’s nice to hear other artists stories to kind of try and kind of try and encourage people because there is never too much encouragement you can receive in the world, you know, there’s the world can be kind of a nasty place at times. So it’s always nice to hear positivity, and I just tried to be as positive as I can in my videos.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And how do you then maybe decide? Or how do you differ from good feedback or constructive feedback? And like, you know, you always have haters? Online?

Chloe Rose

Right? Well, for me, I am very lucky, most of my comments are really lovely. And it’s very rare, that sort of a negative, or maybe nasty comment affects me every now and again, maybe I’ll be a bit like, you know, but I just figured that anyone can sit there and write what they want, you know, they would never say it to your face, people can just sit there and be nasty. And I just think, you know, I’m I’ve not done anything wrong. If I if they had a genuine reason to be saying what they were saying, then maybe I’ll think to myself and try and work on that. Constructive criticism is something that, you know, they’re sort of putting it in a nicer way. But like, you know, maybe you could do this. And I appreciate that. Because obviously, I depend on feedback. Like, if ever I get dislikes on my videos, which you know, I do, I would prefer it if people had to leave a reason as to why they’re disliking my videos, because rarely do I ever receive comments that say I’m disliking this video because you just kind of get it for no reason. So I’m like, Well, I’d like to be able to take that and be able to work on why you’re disliking my video unless it’s just you being nasty for no reason. So, yeah, I really appreciate constructive criticism from people. And I try not to let negativity affect me too much. Because, like, just as anyone can say, Oh, I love you, I love you. And it’s really sweet really do but no one can, you know, sort of write that. And then I never see those people again, you know, it’s kind of like, knowing what’s genuine and what’s not. So yeah.

Iva Mikles

If you think about maybe something you change your opinion about, or the bed with advice you had in the past, whether that be

Chloe Rose

Oh, that’s a tough one. I think all that is that it’s really got me now.

Chloe Rose

No, you’re fine. No. And I think that it’s more than negativity, more than anything. In general, I just I don’t know, that’s a really tough one. I’ve I’ve been very lucky in regards to having very good advice from people. But probably people that say, oh, you know, you’re wasting your time. You know, art’s not gonna get anywhere, you know, you don’t earn money from getting our, you know, you’re going to fail, if you just depend on that kind of thing. It’s just more so that people that are more ignorant to how things work, like most artists have different revenues for bringing in art are bringing in money. So yeah, I’ve been lucky, I’ve not had negative sort of things I’ve had to sort of change around except, you know, Oh, you shouldn’t be doing this or that doesn’t look good. You’re not doing things right. I’ve had actually a couple of people, not a couple of people, probably one person in particular, on one of my videos saying that’s not how you do the proportions of a face, but it was stylized, and they didn’t seem to get that. So. Ya know, I’ve been quite lucky in that regard.

Iva Mikles

And who do you kind of have it as an inspiration? Or did you have a mentor like along the way?

Chloe Rose

I had a couple of people in the game I played that were very sort of encouraging to me I looked up to that sort of gave me some decent advice. Like you’ve really got to just train your brain. That’s why practice is so important. The more you practice, the more your your mind is training sort of your eyes to see things when especially when it comes to proportions to see things properly. But in real life, it’s always been my my mum more than anyone and my again my granddad I used to sit with him when I was younger, and draw with him and I used to always I have mine. And here’s like, we do the same thing. And take it up to say, my grandma and my mum and say, oh, you know, look at this, you know, who you know which one’s mine. And, you know, obviously, they’ve been really nice, like, wow, I thought the one you do was granddad’s. And I was like, six years old. But you know, I, yeah, just my family more than anything. Over the years has been there a lot. And as I say, I’ve been very encouraged by my boyfriend as well. Over the past couple years, so I’ve been very lucky with that as well.

Iva Mikles

And when you think about the creations, where do you get your inspiration from? Do you go out or maybe the the sport or I don’t know, like what movies.

Chloe Rose

I’m a huge fan of TV shows and movies. And I love sci fi a lot Star Wars doctor who I love, you know, things like Sherlock and Merlin, and supernatural, I just, those are like my top shows that I love so much. And I just love to make a lot of fan art. That’s something I pretty much started with making fan art. And from there, I just sort of draw my favorite characters, I would draw maybe items from the TV shows and just kind of use it as a way to practice. And now I’ve sort of tried to get more into original art, and learn sort of characters because it’s one thing, copying from a reference, when it comes to draw my own original characters at the start of the year, I was like, right this year, I want to focus on being able to create more original work. So I’ve really gotten into that and kind of improved with that over the past few months. And I really hope I can in the future as well.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And then you are also like, in your videos you have like these ideas about like crazy artists or fine artists or whatever. Where do you get inspiration from?

Chloe Rose

Well, I it’s just sort of experience over the years with sort of seeing the way people react, especially in YouTube comments, I see there’s, there’s the kind of artists that take things way too seriously. And it’s a bit like, I think art needs to be taken a little bit less seriously at times, because you know, you want to it’s supposed to be overall, if it is a curl night, it should still be fun.

Iva Mikles

How do you write scripts? Or how do you you know, compose all your videos or the for the story,

Chloe Rose

pretty much. I made the sort of first video of it, and people really liked it. And it was kind of based on like my experience, I did a bit of research as well to see, you know, what people were like, but it’s pretty much just from YouTubers, I watched that were artists or artists I’ve seen on TV. So I kind of base them on that. And a lot of the sort of types of artists are based on myself like the social media artists with all the hashtags. That’s me, because I don’t know how else to grow on Instagram. So I just use all the hashtags. I can people think I’m insulting them. I’m like, No, I’m pretty much insulting myself. But since since like the first videos of that, I’m going to do an artist problems to at some point, I get a lot of people saying to me, I’m the type of artists that blah, blah, blah, and then I’m like, Okay, that’s a good idea. I can stick in the next one. It’s like my hack videos, people will give me you know, or I do this with a hack. And I do that and so I put them into the next video because I think they’re really good ideas. And yeah, I base them on sort of experience and I can go by what people are telling me as well.

Iva Mikles

So with all of these videos, and like these funny stories, I can totally see there’s an animation or you know, like a book or like TV series. Have you ever thought about that one?

Chloe Rose

I would love it. Yeah, I would absolutely love that so much. Yeah, I That’s the dream right there. Definitely. Definitely. That’d be really cool. Funny. Yeah, I agree. I think you know, that would be so much fun. But chances of that happening are very, very, very slim. But that would be a lot of fun for sure.

Iva Mikles

And so if we are talking about the projects, and what is maybe the exciting projects which are coming up or something you would like to share now.

Chloe Rose

Well, now I’m done with school, I’m going to focus on the next few months, I mean, I need to kind of work on my web development as well. I want to start like really making some more original work to sell first of all, I want to start really getting into not merchandise, that’s not the right word, but just selling prints and selling things, you know, maybe opening my RedBubble store properly again, and just making more artwork and I’m hoping to make some videos for Patreon and start Patreon because I’ve had actually had the some reason had people ask me if I’m going to be doing that it’s like oh, you wouldn’t you want to give me money. Okay. That but no, no, I feel like there’s a lot that I would like to put on my channel that I know wouldn’t sort of do as well as other things like there’s a lot of tutorials I would like to do but most people come to my channel for either like solid advice on a topic or silly videos. They don’t sort of come for the tutorial, so I’d like to make some tutorial As for that and start Patreon and make that worth people’s while, but I do have a very exciting project coming actually have two very exciting projects coming up. I was asked recently to draw some YouTubers as the specific characters or not this is coming out in September, okay, so I can talk about it now. Basically 1080 Magazine, which is a company that does magazines, I think it’s annually or something, I should know this, it’s terrible. But every year, they have like a magazine, they bring out to some in the city, which is like a YouTube convention in London. And they asked me if I would draw nine different illustrations of YouTubers, like different YouTubers they chosen and do all them as like, Doctor Who characters because I’m so into Doctor Who. So that’s, that’d be my first time being a published artists, which is really, really exciting. So that’s coming out in August. And I think you can buy them online if you’re not going to be at the event. And the other exciting thing is one of my Doctor Who drawings was actually chosen to be published in a doctor who illustrated book by Penguin publishers, which is really exciting that comes out in November. So I get to be published out as twice this year, which is really exciting. Because it’s never happened before. That’s yeah. So.

Iva Mikles

So how do you find the new paid project? Is it that they all approach you through social networks? Or they find you on YouTube? Or do you reach out?

Chloe Rose

Yeah, pretty much every opportunity I’ve been given so far is from people finding me I feel like there is more I could be doing maybe to sort of be known by people like I feel there are a lot of people on YouTube, especially that are very much known by the YouTube community and unknown by YouTube themselves. And like on Twitter, they’re like, followed and I’m like, I feel like I should be more involved. But it’s hard to because I don’t have anywhere I can go to like YouTube conventions, I can’t really connect with people physically. So I kind of I wish in a way, I had a bit of a mentor to kind of tell me Okay, well, you should be doing this to kind of connect with these people. But yes, so far any commission work I’ve been doing or opportunities that I’ve been given have been sort of sent my way. So I definitely need to, over the next few months, try and get myself out there more. I think that’s important. I do that. So it’s just sort of how, you know, it’s kind of like how do I do that? Except, you know, maybe continue with YouTube? Maybe that’ll? I don’t know, I need to go to a YouTube convention. I think that would help greatly.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, because which conventions then would you recommend this YouTube? And are they other ones you like?

Chloe Rose

And as well as I say, some of the city in London, which is kind of a no go for me. For now at least. Then there’s the VidCon, which they do in Anaheim, California. They do VidCon is also in in Europe now. I think it’s in Europe or Australia, it’s there as well. And they’ve got like Playlist Live which is in Orlando and Washington DC. And yeah, I would just Yeah, it’d be it would be really cool. I know a lot of YouTubers you know, I just had no I would just love to go maybe one day I’ll be lucky enough to be invited to one you know, that’d be That’s the dream to be you know, because then I oh no, I’ve gotta go now kind of thing you gotta go.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, a difficult one for sure. Yeah. And then how do you kind of combine your income streams What is your main income now?

Chloe Rose

Well, for me at the moment, the main income stream is YouTube like Google AdSense is from ads on my videos so that is really helpful obviously every month Commission’s help a lot as well. And I definitely need to start selling my art I’ve got you know, I’ve got like one t shirt design on RedBubble that mainly at Christmas start selling really well. But it’s pretty much just YouTube for now and my commissions so start getting more income streams probably you know, looking for part time work maybe in computers or something local that I can do just to add to that I focus on YouTube and making more art because if I worked full time, it would be very difficult to kind of get into my web development I really ideally would like to freelance and then sort of keep hours like at least a hobby you know, if I’m not earning money from it anymore. But yeah, if I was working full time I couldn’t even remotely practice on you know, my freelancing anything so yeah, I would just get home and be too tired to do anything really. So yeah.

Iva Mikles

Where do you find like the the inspirations or where do you learn from Do you check something online? Do you have some go to Resources?

Chloe Rose

Um, well, as I say, it was always for me was like TV shows and things but now I’m very inspired by the artists I follow on YouTube. There’s a couple Well, probably three in particular, maybe three four, there’s probably loads in particular but I love like your siren you know your interview. doing her and lowish. She’s incredible. Like she’s amazing. I’ve loved her work for years. She’s just amazing. I love Sofia and Lou, she’s a YouTuber who, I don’t know what it’s about her work. It’s just so much detail in it. And it’s beautiful what she does. I just, I just really admire people like that. And that’s kind of inspired me to want to get into more original stuff and kind of get into full on proper pieces. Because it’s been a while since I’ve had this sort of time and chance to make something big and not sort of illustrated or cartoony, you know?

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And do you also go maybe to life drawing classes or not so much right now?

Chloe Rose

No, I’ve never had a drawing class before in my life. I would like to maybe one day, I think, for me, maybe online learning would be better in that regard. Because there’s particular things I would like to learn instead of sort of general drawing, it would be more to find things like say, like Lois, she had, like online classes, I’d be all over that. But yeah, just pretty much just online. A lot of there’s a lot of online resources I’d like to follow. And YouTube’s a great, you know, source for that as well.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, for sure. Because I was taking some of the online classes as well. So that’s why I’m asking as well, like maybe, what would you recommend? So?

Chloe Rose

Well, yes, Skillshare, I’ve actually done, I’ve been sponsored by them twice to do a video on them. I’ve loved Skillshare. For years, I was very flattered when they wanted to sponsor me to talk about their videos, but they have a lot of artists on there, like professional artists who they’ve invited to make classes on there. So Skillshare is a great resource. I mean, again, YouTube’s a great free resource. And Patreon is always a good place as well, because I know there’s a couple artists that I know personally that have started Patreon and just have, you know, solely Patreon related drawing videos. So it’s always good to support the artists as well. So

Iva Mikles

yeah, for sure. And, and then also, maybe you can talk about mediums for the use because there will be also interesting for people to hear like maybe to compare what you should start with and what do you use now or what is your favorite?

Chloe Rose

I love starting out with like a mechanical pencil. I think it’s Stettler is a Hebrew styler, Stettler I’m not sure how you pronounce it, there’s a really good mechanical. That’s it. Yep. And a really good mechanical pencil. It’s basically like, regular LED in like a wooden pencil or not led, but you know, graphite. So it’s the same thickness, but you don’t have to keep sharpening it. And it’s just I love starting off with that. And I have like a bunch of different pencils of different variants that will get, you know, like can sort of shadow with a bit but I then go over the top of that with acrylic. If I’m doing like a pencil drawing obviously, I wouldn’t use like a mechanical pencil because you just want to use proper pencils. But my main sort of interesting at the moment is like acrylics and watercolors. For acrylics, I like Liquitex and for watercolors. I really like Windsor and Newton and Windsor Newton has great inks as well. I love to combine watercolors and inks because they’re really nice, but digital art will always have a special place in my heart because that’s where I started.

Iva Mikles

So if you now like you’re deciding to work on different projects, or maybe do different videos, what is your self though about like, what do you decide for? And what do you say no to?

Chloe Rose

Well, that actually happened to me recently, because I took on a commission I said, Well, I’m not going to be fixing stuff in schoolwork. I’m not going to be free till you know, end of June kind of thing. Then end of June came around and I contact them said why didn’t register your commission now you know, and, you know, I got sent half the money and then I started working on it. And then like the next day, I got contacted about the magazine. And I was like oh but I can’t give up this magazine opportunity. And I didn’t sort of had quite a small timeframe to finish the magazine. So I was like oh, it’s gonna be hard like balancing both I shouldn’t really do it but I’m going to because it’d be my first proper project and I think it’s important that I do it. So I just had to really sort of balance my time and my uncle was actually over from the UK visiting us at the time so it was very difficult as well to kind of balance all of that but I managed to get it done I’m just working on the commission this week. So hopefully that will be done. But yeah, it’s um yeah, I have not yet had to turn down opportunities. You probably should at times but I’m I’m I’m too stubborn to do that. If I believe that I can do it then I’m just I’m gonna do it. You know?

Iva Mikles

And how do you design your day or week how do you plan because you also had school and now different projects and do you plan ahead?

Chloe Rose

I am very disorganized. I was actually thinking this and talking about this with my mom yesterday I’m I want to be more organized with my life especially. Because usually if I do my bed Do as I do it, like the day before it comes out, you know, if I want to publish it, and then I’m kind of I’m working late at night, you know, right up until I upload it a few hours later in the morning, which is really not the best way to do it. So I’d really like to start planning at least several days ahead, I’d like to, you know, I have my plans or videos I want to make, but getting around to making them is often not always ideal. When I was doing schoolwork. I pretty much you know, I was flexible, because my school was was online. So I had more flexibility in that regard. But now I don’t it was kind of been just working on these illustrations, because I had nine illustrations to do. So it was it was very difficult. So I had I think to have like a week off or not, I can’t even remember now. But yeah, it’s very difficult for me to kind of organize my time, but it’s something that I’m really now trying to work on, I have the chance to

Iva Mikles

do you do something daily, some daily routine?

Chloe Rose

No, I don’t probably don’t draw as much as I should, every single day I would like to. And again, that’s something I’d really want to start doing. But often, it’s not always ideal. And that’s pretty much an excuse because I could probably tried to at least get up an hour earlier to start drawing, you know, and I definitely do have the time if I enforced enough. It’s just kind of getting myself disciplined enough to to get myself into that because I think it’s very important to draw every day, but I’m a little bit burnt out at the moment with those illustrations. I did like nine in a week. So I was just like up really late at night trying to finish them. So yeah, something I need to do.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, so how do you balance like your work life and like family life or you know, friends?

Chloe Rose

Well, my, I’m not someone that has loads of friends, I’m kind of keep keep to myself, my you know, pretty much online, my friends are pretty much all online, I don’t really have anyone local. So I have to worry about that too much. I need to do a better job of managing my time and family life and things like that. Because obviously, as well, my boyfriend, we’re long distance. So he’s you know, he’s in the UK, I’m in the US. So that’s balancing that and then trying to be like, Okay, well now I need to do this, I need to, there’s a lot of stuff I need to do and want to do. And I need to just prioritize better, because it’s something I’ve not ever been very good at.

Iva Mikles

So maybe do you have some some tools will simplify your life, something you bought, or like some of the software’s or something like that.

Chloe Rose

I’ve downloaded a few apps in the past, but I tend to not end up using them. I’m always looking for kind of organization tools for sure. I do have a very nice, daily planner like diary thing that I started properly using the beginning of the year. And I’ve kind of slowly phased out of that now. But I am someone that likes to write a lot of less even yesterday, I just bought like a little notepad for me just to write things down. But it didn’t have like the line so I can just be messy with it. But I’m more of a physical person in regards to planning my life, I had to physically have like a planner or something in my hands to physically see what I’ve written out. I prefer to I have so many notes all over my phones about video ideas and things I should be doing timeframes, but I never stick to them was better if I have it down on paper, I can cross them out as I go.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And when you were if we go back maybe to the YouTube videos as well. And how do you plan those? And maybe can you share some some tips or something what you are doing also networking online, and making friends and you know, posting videos how that works. And

Chloe Rose

well, for me, I never really had like, I think it’s important to try and find like a community of people. Because it’s very encouraging. There is a Facebook group, like women creators of YouTube or something like that I was invited to so I’m part of that even I don’t really go on Facebook very much I use like the messenger app because it which is obviously separate on your phone. So I don’t really go on physical Facebook much anymore. But there’s so many groups on Facebook that you can join, you know, to kind of find a community for me. I went for so long without feeling kind of alone. And it wasn’t until I met my boyfriend through YouTube, he was you know, on YouTube as well. And that’s how we met. And he kind of took me under his wing a little bit because we were friends for a little while. And he kind of introduced his community of like, online friends and followers to me, and then they, you know, really supported me and built me up. And it was from there. I started using Twitter more because I was speaking to him more and then Miranda Beiler. She is YouTube artist as well. And she said to me, you want to do a collab and she had like 25,000 followers and I had like less than 1000 at the time. She’s, you know, such a lovely person. And we did that and I got my first 1000 followers because you know, I was still under 1000 at that point. And then I had a couple other people do collabs with me and it was so lovely. And it’s because of the reason i i found a community that As I kept doing YouTube, I always say, if I hadn’t really met my boyfriend and met the people I did because of him, I probably wouldn’t be still as consistent as I am with YouTube, if at all now. So in regards to making videos, it’s more about just thinking of ideas, doing a lot of research, seeing what sort of popular what people like, usually funny videos and advice, videos, tutorials, you know, a popular so

Iva Mikles

do you have like special strategy to use tags or headlines? Or, you know, the, how do you call it thumbnails right for it?

Chloe Rose

Yes, well, there is a, it’s an app that’s like a plugin to the browser called vid IQ. And through that, you can see a lot of like analytics, like behind the scenes you wouldn’t see of other people’s videos. And you can sort of see the tags they’ve been using. And then you can kind of see the ranking of these tags and how popular they are. I also find in regards to YouTube, a very good way to make videos, more sort of recommended is to instead of using single tags, like our artist, like how to be an artist or how I became an artist is one tag works better than just sit them use a single tags as well. But you know, like, for example, my one about why didn’t go to school I’ve had like art school are separate. And then school separate than I had, why I didn’t go to art school was one tag. And I always find that more specific tags tend to do better than just loads of single ones because you also don’t want a relevant tags as well. If you have tags that completely irrelevant to the video. The way that YouTube works is it would be kind of confused. And like what is this video actually about? You want to be specific to what is in the video?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, because I actually heard in one of the podcasts now that you have to actually say some of these tags in the video because they’re like listening and transcribing the whole video. So yes, yeah, that works as well.

Chloe Rose

It does. Yeah. And I also, usually I try to have as many sort of related words in my descriptions as well, I kind of just restate a little bit what I’m saying in the video, just so you know, if people search stuff on, say, Google or YouTube, that it’s also going to search through my description as well. So I always try to be very specific in the description of the video. That tends to help. Yeah, because

Iva Mikles

I also would the other thing, while they were mentioning was also that the percentage from for the views is more from suggested videos, then actually from tags and descriptions. Yes. So that works for you as well, or? Yeah,

Chloe Rose

I mean, I think it’s more Yeah, it’s what I would say it’s more suggested videos, I also put like, it might seem kind of pointless, but I always put my name like play roses, one tag clear is ours, another sofa. And if they’re on a previous video of mine, it’ll sort of be recommended inside cuz it’s got the same tags. And again, that’s why it’s important to see what is popular on YouTube in regards to if you say doing art, you got to see what is popular in regards to art videos, and kind of just go from there and sort of maybe use similar tags, use the same tags. And then if it was popular, then maybe yours will be recommended to the side as well.

Iva Mikles

Can you also recommend some of the Facebook groups? So do you mentioned that you mentioned one? And are there others that you kind of help each other maybe to comment or share or

Chloe Rose

I’m only part of the women create women creators of YouTube, I believe it’s called the scene one I’m currently a part of. But yeah, again, that’s why I always say it’s good to have a community Twitter is a great tool for that Instagram is also a very good tool, because obviously you just search hashtags. And you can instantly find just 1000s and 1000s of artists and it’s always good to kind of comment on other people’s videos on their Instagram posts on Twitter, follow them, just get yourself, you know, known to other people and be nice because it’s, it’s you know, it seems like such a big community, that argument is huge. But there’s a lot of sort of smaller communities or communities within that big range of up community. So you should always be nice because it can come to bite you up the backside if you’re not very nice.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, for sure. And also join some of the challenges maybe like art challenges on some of these social networks or you don’t do it so much.

Chloe Rose

I often what in regards to YouTube, I’ve done a couple of like art challenges. One of them did quite well the other one not so much. It’s kind of funny how YouTube works in that regard. On sort of, say Instagram and Twitter, there’s always like Inktober, which is a daily challenge in October you do either by a prompt, you do the same thing or you can do whatever you want. It’s always got to be based in ink. I did about seven last year out of 31 days in October, which is not that good. I’m determined to do better this year. And then there’s mer Mae which is where you draw mermaid everyday may And that there’s quite a few actually. And I’ve always been quite rubbish at that. There was like a meet the artists hashtag on Twitter and Instagram a little while ago where you didn’t do that. I wanted to do that. Maybe I still will. But it’s kind of irrelevant now that I need to get myself more involved with that stuff.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, actually, during some of these challenges as well, and Oh, nice. Yeah. So I didn’t murder me from bankruptcy just for everyone to know. Wow. Yeah. So YouTuber like Jake Parker is, as well now this year, so it will be super cool. So hopefully, to see you in the challenge,

Chloe Rose

I think. Definitely. Yeah. And actually funny. You mentioned Tom Bancroft. Going back to the whole online learning thing, he actually is did a class on Skillshare. And I took his class on like, didn’t like how he did sort of, because obviously a deck X Disney artist, he showed how he sort of would do the proportions of the face and that, so that was really helpful. But yeah, he’s really cool that the mermaid is such a huge success as well, I need to try that next year.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, because actually, this year, I decided to do the traditional art and normally I do digitally. So how do you how do you kind of split when you do digital and traditional art.

Chloe Rose

I like the flexibility of digital art. Because you can have so many, you know, mistakes you can make and you can get rid of them, it’s not going to ruin the paper or have like raised marks or anything, you can have an unlimited amount of color, you’re obviously not going to be getting messy, it’s you know, you’d have to worry about washing your paint brushes out. But sometimes you just feel like you want to physically make something you know. So if it’s if it’s like a big thing that needs a lot of colors, and you know, it’s a portrait or something, I prefer to do it digitally. But when it comes to something more simplistic, like you know, with mermaid or, or Inktober I’d rather do that on paper. You know, I just think it’d be more fun because I love working with watercolors. So

Iva Mikles

yeah, is there something you wish you knew before you started?

Chloe Rose

Um, I wish that maybe I worked more in practice more in the beginning, it took me longer than most maybe because I didn’t draw every day. I still don’t draw every day. I’m pretty rubbish at that. But I wish I’d kind of drawn every day in regards to original characters, because I’ve been drawing for seven years now. Yeah, seven years. And it’s only now that in my seventh year that I’m starting to draw learning to draw out, you know, original characters and things. So I wish I’d done that. And I wish I had given it a real proper, more of a go. Because I went, I made like, four or five things a year, pretty much digitally. And that was it. And I never got into I didn’t get into physical art until the past year and a half or so. So yeah, I wish I’d started that sooner. But I’m, you know, I’m doing it now. And that’s the main thing.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And if you think about let me be like, quote, something, what you would put maybe on a sketchbook for the

Chloe Rose

day. I there was one I saw the other day actually, it said, I’ve can’t remember exactly what it was. But it was something like, there is more to art than just know, it was oh my gosh, what was it? The personality of the artist is just as important as the art. And I couldn’t agree with that more. Especially if you’re trying to build a following. Or you’re trying to get people to know you, you want to kind of put your own personality into your art because it’s one thing seeing amazing art and being like, you know, Oh, that’s amazing. But it’s another thing knowing a face to the art and sort of just, that’s what I like to put even in my speed paintings. I’ve always liked to put in my face and kind of personality a bit. So people know me, not just my work. So

Iva Mikles

yeah, I really liked that idea as well. That’s why we are doing videos here too. Because I think it’s really important to see and hear the artists as well and writing about like the thought process and how they basically what they put into their work.

Chloe Rose

Right. Definitely I agree. So yeah, it’s just it’s very important to put a face to the name pretty much. Yeah.

Iva Mikles

And so if you you touch upon that a bit as well about the future and kind of what would be the dream and if you can imagine yourself in five to 10 years and what would be kind of the dream scenario.

Chloe Rose

Oh, well, the ultimate dream is to somehow work for Disney and it doesn’t necessarily mean full time just for now. I’ve tried to keep my dream smaller, so they seem more realistic just to be recognized by Disney and maybe sort of make some merchandise for them or something like that. Because you see so many cool T shirts like in Disney World and in a hot topic. For example, they sell a lot of Disney merchandise. I would love to be able to make Disney merchandise or somehow in some degree work for Disney and be recognized like what is the banana Jimana she’s like the ultimate Like, goals as an artist, she’s just so amazing. I don’t know if you’ve heard of her. Yeah, she’s a YouTube artist. And she’s actually she’s married to the creator of Summer in the City. And she’s an incredible artist, Jamie, Joe, that’s her name. And she does so much amazing work. It’s so realistic, and I admire greatly, but she’s also fairly frequently like invited to Disney premieres. And she’s does a lot of Disney, you know, sponsored videos for Disney and Warner Brothers. And she’s just, she’s amazing. And she deserves it thoroughly. But I would I’d love to be able to do that in some degree, you know? So that’s the dream for now.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah. Yeah, maybe you can do your TV series, and then you can do it.

Chloe Rose

There we go. Yeah, everyone. There we go. Everyone watched club Ross, you know, new TV series. A goal? Yeah, that would be a good goal. That is a good goal. I’m gonna put that as my ultimate goals now.

Iva Mikles

Good, good. And when you are still learning, I mean, is everyone we are all learning, can you recommend maybe some books doesn’t have to be about art, something you would recommend everyone to read or something you give as a gift?

Chloe Rose

I don’t have a lot of art books. Isn’t that terrible? I know, I know that Jazza you know, draw with Jazza. He’s just put out a book that I really want to get Bailey j is also bringing out a book that I really want to give a go. And I think it’s important to give artists like that the you know, the recognition and the support in that regard. I have a couple proportions books by it was at Jon Hamm, I think was one of them. He’s he’s got a quite good book on proportions. But for me, mainly, I’m again, I’m more of a visual learner. I prefer to see videos and things. So YouTube is a great resource for that. And again, Patreon funny artists you admire doing their Patreon, and yeah, just online tutorials are more for me really than books. But yeah, go

Iva Mikles

cool. I mean, I really like also watching videos. So it’s also good to kind of balance it out. Is there also maybe a documentary like,

Chloe Rose

Oh, that’s a tough one. I don’t I’m not a documentary person at all. To be honest, I don’t I don’t really watch many. TV wise, I mean, Bob Ross, where he was just amazing. You know, I think we still have all these videos on YouTube. So that’s probably the closest I can get. And that’s not even a documentary. But no, I can honestly say that I haven’t actually watched a documentary that sort of relates to me, in any degree to art to be honest. No, just YouTube videos pretty much. Yeah. Cool. Cool. And

Iva Mikles

so maybe the last question, what I would like to ask is about the far, far future and maybe if you imaging like in 100 years, what would you like to be remembered for?

Chloe Rose

I want to be remembered as someone who didn’t take themselves too seriously, it’d be nice to think that 100 years I would be remembered. But someone that, you know, it wasn’t afraid to make fun of herself and just, you know, loved making art for the sake of making art. And yeah, just just I want to be remembered as someone at least who got to make some Disney artwork, you know? Did you know that? That is Disney artists? That’s yeah, the Chloe the Disney artist. Yeah, that’s pretty much. Pretty much it. Yeah. Big aspirations.

Iva Mikles

And kind of what would be maybe your parting piece of guidance or advice takeaway for before we say goodbye.

Chloe Rose

Don’t stop practicing, don’t give up. Don’t take constructive criticism too harshly. Just try and take it to use it to grow. Because if you find yourself not drawing, because someone’s insulted you what your you think they’ve insulted you, then you’re not going to get anywhere you’re not going to get anywhere if you give up. And if it was easy, everyone would do it. So just remember that it’s like anything in life. If it was easy, everyone would do it and everyone was succeed. And a lot of people aren’t willing to put in the effort and time to do that. So just just keep practicing. And no matter what, the more you practice, you’re gonna get better. It’s just, you know, just, it’s simple. You know, just you’re gonna get better at anything you do. No matter how bad you think you are. Just, you’re gonna get better out if you do it, the more you do it.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. Thank you so much amazing piece of guidance having. So thank you again, from taking time from your busy schedule and being here with us.

Chloe Rose

Yeah, well, yeah, again, thank you for having me. Yeah, I really appreciate it. It’s been really it’s been lovely talking to you.

Iva Mikles

Thank you so much and We will say goodbye. Thank you everyone for joining us and see you in the next episode.

Iva Mikles

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