Hey, guys! In this episode, I am chatting with Asia Ladowska. We talk about how she quit her job to become a full-time freelancer, what she learned and experienced along the way. We also talk about her book she will be publishing through Kickstarter soon!
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Get in touch with Asia
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladowska/
- Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Ladowska
Resources mentioned
- Asia’s Kickstarter for her book Sketch with Asia #sketchwithasia (URL coming)
- Interview with Nathan Fowkes that was the trigger point for Asia to go freelance
Special thanks to Asia for joining me today. See you next time!
All artworks by Asia Ladowska, used with permission
Episode Transcript
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Iva Mikles
Hello, everyone, and welcome to the next episode of Art Side of Life. I’m Iva for those of you who don’t know me and today’s episode is another year after interview and it’s with Asia Ladowska. There were so many changes in her life she went from being employed to being full time artists. So hope you will enjoy this interview. And before we get there, let’s thank our sponsors. If you are a digital artist, you will love our stupid app, which turns your iPad Pro into a virus graphics tablet for your Mac. So you can use all the programs like Photoshop right on your iPad, go to artsideoflife.com/astropad and use promo code artside to get 10% discount. Are you looking for a top quality print shop and online store to sell your art prints then you should definitely check out imprint imprint has been helping artists print and sell gallery quality prints of their work all over the world for over a decade. Go to outside artsideoflife.com/imprint and use promo code artside to get 10% discount. And now let’s go back to the interview. Hello, everyone and welcome back to the new episode of Art Side of Life. And I show here again.
Asia Ladowska
Hi everyone and hi Iva so good to see after Yeah, it’s been a year hard to hide you man. Right?
Iva Mikles
Yeah. Oh my god. I was like when we were chatting before. And I was looking at the Skype when was the last call is like almost a year ago. And I was like,
Asia Ladowska
Yeah, I was wondering if you’re gonna write me the same message like, Oh, I’m ready. Just copy my response, right?
Iva Mikles
Exactly the same, like as the same questions, but hopefully people are excited to see like, what you are up to now. And there were some changes in your artistic careers. So yeah, let’s talk about bands right away. Because, yeah, like how you change or maybe what was the now the biggest change in your art career.
Asia Ladowska
And the biggest change from what I said in previous videos, a video is probably that I don’t sleep two hours every second day, eight hours a day now. And I do have to highlight this is very important. And help is very important indeed. So if anybody is struggling with workflows, don’t forget to cut on it and like take care of yourself. This is very important. So this is a big change. But this will not happen if I didn’t sort of quit my job. And that that’s a big one too. I didn’t I didn’t have the courage to quit my job I but I felt burnt by not burnt out in that. So I had a lot of talks with my managers and I decided to go on it on six months leave, I did ask them for a break, basically. And I was very happy to hear that they agreed for a break. So this is how I started freelancing. But also not freelancing because that was not my main idea of the break. I really wanted to sleep more and travel a lot. So I didn’t plan any work or I didn’t have any clients with me. I didn’t. I didn’t have anything apart from some savings so that I could actually go travel and progress.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, definitely. And then so you prepare that you want to do the traveling and some like also a relaxing time for you so you can keep your creative spirit alive. So you don’t
Asia Ladowska
I went to Japan again. Because this was surprising it like even though I’ve been there like two times now twice. I’m planning again. And whenever I think about holidays, I really want to go to Japan again. My go to destination so I did I didn’t have I did have some traveling I went to Poland to see my family to that I haven’t seen them for a very long time. I haven’t been home in three years. I think
Iva Mikles
it’s long time.
Asia Ladowska
Skype isn’t everything and I didn’t know about that. But it was a precious time with family as well. So I think I’m using my break time very well. And because I’m rested and I’m well inspired. It also helped my creative spirit as you called it.
Iva Mikles
So what inspired you maybe the most also in Japan? Like what maybe reflected in your artworks? Do you have like a memorable artwork which was like okay, I saw these and I implemented even some throwing
Asia Ladowska
I bought so many books from Japan, I took an empty suitcase again. And I’ve run a suitcase full of books from Japan with illustrations and with pictures so that when I flip through the colors just pop and attack me. And this is so inspiring. So every time I’m stuck with something, or I don’t know what to draw, I just flip through the books. And it is amazing. I haven’t seen those books here. But it’s just a collection of so many artists and so many really good artists, that’s been an inspiration. And also, I took many pictures of the environments have probably started to dry, dry drawing environments. But this is still like a record for me. I need to get through it. It’s not so easy.
Iva Mikles
Yeah. And you also get the like some markers, I’m sure in Japan, because they’re awesome. They’re,
Asia Ladowska
yeah, they’re a lot cheaper in Japan than anywhere else. And as always, I do use a lot of Copic markers. And I did feel my collection. And i i Only forgot about green colors. I don’t have any green markers. If you don’t see any green works on my Instagram profile. That’s because they don’t have any green markers.
Iva Mikles
Maybe I can send your mind.
Asia Ladowska
Like, I will fill in the connection one day, maybe next time I go to Japan, but this topic is no I have a reason to go back there again.
Iva Mikles
So well. They’re the colors maybe you bought Do you remember like the numbers which are like your favorite Copic markers?
Asia Ladowska
Well, because I have almost all now I’m trying to use them. Also, when I look at the palette I’ve used before I’m trying to do something totally different and use the colors I haven’t done. But I probably do a lot of violet colors and pink colors is like Saison for me. Definitely. And I didn’t buy any specific I had a list with all the colors I have. And it was just filling in the gaps with the past like, oh, I don’t have this one. This one another one. So
Iva Mikles
you have like this big I don’t know overview of like how the colors look on different papers before you start as well.
Asia Ladowska
Yes, I do. I do have a color test page on the same paper that I will be working on. I I put sample markers so that I know what the marker is going to look on the paper that I’ll be drawing on because it does look different on all kinds of papers. Be careful about that. So I will make sure this is the same paper I’m going to work on. And this is my color reference. I don’t really choose colors by the color or anything I just look at the palette that I’ve got they’re like oh this color and this and this and that’s that’s how I choose colors for my legs
Iva Mikles
and they did you also prepare like these when you were like working on your book, you know when you’re like okay, these are the color palettes how I put them together and everything or how did you prepare this?
Asia Ladowska
No, I really I don’t know. It’s I just struggle with organizing stuff and deciding on a very, very swift of the same set or like following thing. It’s more of a feeling like Oh, I really want to do something in blue and I never saw anything in blue or anything. Or when I did too much in blue and I tried everything kind of but not really I do I do have this color freedom I think yeah. Oh,
Iva Mikles
that’s really cool because then you and now you are also more free devil compared to the also the job and like working freelance. So what is the biggest difference in you know organizing yourself and time management if you can compare
Asia Ladowska
the time management time management is such a difficult thing. I thought that if I if I have a break from work and I don’t have to go to the office in the morning and like a good the whole day for me, I’ll have so much time to do everything. And for the first week I did I did exercises in the morning, I did Japanese study, like for two hours or so. And then I would move to some drying recording video editing. But this is falling in places. I couldn’t keep up with it. There’s like so so many things with priorities. Some some clients that sometimes deadlines are coming and then like, No, I can’t exercise today. I can’t really eat today I have to finish the project. So I just struggle. I’m still learning time management. And that’s I think that’s my biggest problem on them all. Seriously.
Iva Mikles
Yeah. Like with the prioritize prioritization right of like, okay, this is the high priority tasks, and this is as well. Okay, how do I do the time management? All of that?
Asia Ladowska
Yeah, I make a list of all the things I have to do if for some reason all of them are so important.
Iva Mikles
Maybe based on the deadlines, right? Or when the deadline is coming or how much work do you plan also, like how many hours are you going to spend on each project?
Asia Ladowska
I tried to plan and then never works. This is another thing I have to work on and learn. I always want my way to be the best they can produce at the time so it’s difficult to like stop because They have spent like nine hours dedicated to the work. Sometimes it’s not that easy. Like, I really want to push it and make it look better. And then from nine hours, it’s 90. I don’t charge enough for the job.
Iva Mikles
Yeah. Because then you have to write the value in your time. And how would you say that the project
Asia Ladowska
was taking when I was taking the commission, for example, is like, Oh, it sounds like I could do it in a day. So this is a fair, right. But then I started sketching and preparing composition, and then it’s, I think, maybe if I do 10 More compositions, one of those is gonna be better. So I keep giving myself too much work sometimes. Yeah, I
Iva Mikles
can totally see that. Yes, yes, yeah, definitely. Because that I want to make everything perfect. But I want to spend more time on it, but then dedicating certain time on it. And just saying, Okay, for this one, I will spend one day or two days, and then I also include the loop or, you know, like the feedback or if there are with some clients, I can include to feedbags, you know, so I already know, because then I can calculate it in price that, okay, you can give me feedback on this. So then I don’t see
Asia Ladowska
feedback, feedback come out. So that’s important.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, definitely. So if someone haven’t done the client work, and they want to start, they always have to count on the feedback
Asia Ladowska
and putting in the contract. For example, if you’re doing contracts as well, like only two feedbacks are allowed, and then third one is priced for whatever the amount is. We have to we had to learn the hard way. That will be wiser, right?
Iva Mikles
Yeah, exactly. And it’s like, yeah, if it’s a bigger company, you can charge more if it is a smaller company or a project you really want to work on. And if it enriches your portfolio, that’s yeah, also worth it.
Asia Ladowska
I also, I also think I also would usually choose projects where I can learn something from and not really do, again, the same thing or something I’ve done before. So interesting.
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Asia Ladowska
That’s another thing that was I was disappointed with when I moved to the self employment thing and that I don’t actually have this much time for the drawing itself. There’s so much video editing, so much editing of posts for Instagram or preparing everything scheduling everything replying to emails, or communicating with with clients as well that it’s evening and like I haven’t drawn for the whole day. What have I been doing exactly. And because also with that with the time I moved, started working from home, I started doing voiceover tutorials for Patreon which is a new thing I started to offer an offer for all my patrons and I think they do enjoy it because I get a lot of feedback. I do ask for feedback and they get it back as well. It again I had to learn a lot how to how to show something how to teach people the best I can but for the tutorial not to asking for an hour. So if I had like nine hour video footage, I had to think how to fit it in half an hour so that it’s manageable and watchable for people. And even now, when I’ve done quite a few tutorials now I’m still learning and trying to cut on time how how much it takes, but usually takes more than a day or two, or sometimes three to, to prepare everything to make sure it looks good, but it has some cover for it to show what exactly you can learn in a tutorial. And then make it valuable. So I get the message through. It’s it’s really a long time. So like if the drawing already took half an hour or two hours, or the video editing and voiceover voiceover insecure days.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, definitely. Because then you also have the thing like, Okay, how much time is spent on the word because like some things which are for your community for free, which are some which you can monetize, because you need to live from something so you can keep creating for your community.
Asia Ladowska
I wish I could do so much thing for free. I want to reach more people whether I need to live or something, which is sighs I really want to share my knowledge. But then I would suffer if I just put everything on YouTube for free. But it’s again, it’s finding balance when I can do for free or what I cannot do for free. But I wish I wish I didn’t have to worry about the money. And I could just do everything for free. It would be so much easier.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, definitely. You would starve and who can you help afterwards? Right? No, I’m leaving somehow. And so you can offer your skills to more people in the community. So definitely. So I’m sure if you will do more tutorials as well, like a courses people can get like there will be a lot of people from your community there will be like, Yeah, finally, yeah.
Asia Ladowska
Yeah, I tried to price them cheaply. So at least people can more people can get them. So I do run discounts sometimes, for my Gumroad discount camera downloads or the Patreon is already cheap. So I can’t complain on that. Yeah, I’m trying to make it so that more and more people can reach it.
Iva Mikles
Oh, that’s really cool. And what about any your Kickstarter if you can talk about more about that as well. So what can people expect and what’s
Asia Ladowska
exciting now, so Yeah, another thing that I couldn’t talk too much about, but it was taking a lot of my daytime and I been working on is the content for my upcoming book, which is going to be the working title now because it’s still a few months ahead now but when the video gets released, so I think that the title of the book is actually going to be scheduled with Asha. So this is like my hashtag that I’ve already used for the community so to engage and encourage all the people to join me with my drawing and to draw some some cool things with me and share with me and I think this is going to be the title of the book as well. And what obviously apart from beautiful images is it there are going to be tutorials and yeah, if somebody can buy a book I believe it will be in bookstores so they can use browse through the tutorials.
Iva Mikles
So yeah, so you do already know also like how many pages and all of these details are these kinds of things it’s like steal confidential or so I
Asia Ladowska
think it’s gonna be around 200 or 240 pages it’s gonna be a big one and beautiful cover I worked really hard on the covers so it’s gonna look beautiful and yeah, I think is gonna have a lot of valuable content so not just beautiful pictures to find inspiration from but also editorials and something to gain to learn tips or how miss what mistakes I have made and how to avoid them.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, definitely because then where we learn the most right so that’s definitely great to include in the process and how you implement the changes and everything.
Asia Ladowska
Yeah, and of course as a Kickstarter, there’s gonna be a lot of goodies to come with. So like I encourage everybody to check it out. And yes, I’m sorry the kick started
Iva Mikles
do you already know what goodies that people can get maybe some personalized sketches or signed prints or
Asia Ladowska
I think I think we haven’t agreed totally yet for the content of the goodies. But I believe there are going to be some friends definitely. And possibly some stickers or pins or totebag as well with like Kickstarter unique artwork so that’s not the only whatever that’s gonna be it’s gonna be unique for the Kickstarter and like available anywhere else. And just a super cool thing because I’m working.
Iva Mikles
Definitely I’m sure that people will love it because then if they can even get something extra with the book so the Kickstarter will be out and then we will put the link down below so everyone can check it out. And it will take you guys there. And yeah, and let’s talk About as well like how this book came to be, because you mentioned as well. And when you were deciding what to do if you can tell us that story as well.
Asia Ladowska
Oh, that was an interesting story. Because before I moved to, to working from home, I really didn’t have any plan on which What should I do with the six months, then I’m going to All I know is, I really want to rest I want to learn a lot and become a better person, a lot rested one, actually. And just the week before I before I left, I sent a message to the publisher asking if they want to do a book with me. And the response I got was, yeah, we got a lot of emails like that. And we don’t usually reply to them, but you are on our lists. So let’s work together and see what we can do. And it sort of kicks kick started from there. And it’s actually very quickly that I have to provide everything, not so much time. I’m working hard on everything.
Iva Mikles
So did you plan like, how much time will you spend on the book as well? So you mentioned that you started already, then few months ago, right? So you are already working on it? Like four or five months or so?
Asia Ladowska
Yeah, for the first few months, it was really deciding what should what should go on the book, what should go in the book and what shouldn’t so like the talks and talk racks, contacts, meetings, and deciding what should the book be about? What kind of content what kind of tutorials? And then I know it’s that was to live? By now I am I have, I have some of the stuff done and still quite a lot to do. And I have cleared everything I think I’m starting, I’m stopping my patron for two months. And yeah, I have I had to save some money have I had to put aside, I cancelled all the Commission’s or the client work, so I don’t have anything else. And this is just the only thing on my board. While we’re behind the pictures like scheduled What should I do every day for the book?
Iva Mikles
Yeah. So you planned and do you say that? And just like how much like so you calculate it like, Okay, this is these are my expenses per month. And then this will take me, I don’t know, maybe a few months. So you know, like how much money you need to save up. So you don’t have to stress
Asia Ladowska
expenses are usually the same as each month. I know how much I eat. Yeah, I had to make sure that I’d be able to live for the two months or a few more, that I won’t be working or taking any commissions.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, definitely. And when you were like planning these as well, before you quit the job. What was kind of like the biggest trigger? Did you have like a moment when you’re like, Okay, today is today? Or were you more like, Okay, let me think maybe it will be next month.
Asia Ladowska
Yeah, so I was like, like that, Oh, next month, next month for for around a year, and it wasn’t progressing at all at work, I was pretty disappointed and let down that nothing, I’m not learning anything, all the days are the same. And it’s just slow. Everything is the same and very disappointing. And there was also a trigger point, as you mentioned. And I really have to thank you, Iva, because that was an interview with Nathan Fox, who when I heard him speak about hard work and about how when you want something to work, you have to make it work. And you he mentioned to burn that candle at both ends, to make it happen. And like those guys, right? Like, I can’t be always pushed into doing something that I’m not really fine, though, that I don’t enjoy entirely, I can put my passion into it. So I decided I will work hard. After I rest. I will work hard on my own thing and on the projects I am very passionate about. So I am so grateful that I watched the interview with Nathan Fox. And I didn’t really come in again everybody to watch it isn’t guys powerful. And obviously an amazing artist, big inspiration all time.
Iva Mikles
Super happy that they had. It was also inspiration because like also, if I wouldn’t start the interviews also with you the like, last year already, you know, like it wouldn’t work like this. And also with Nathan, I just made him randomly on CTN. I took his class before you know, and I just came to him and I’m like, oh, so what do you like to do interview and he actually remembered my name from the class online. I was like, what? Do you remember my name? So yeah, so definitely inspirational. And yeah, as you mentioned, like it was like, Oh, next month next month, and it was like it took me as well like a year before I quit my job. And I was thinking like, Oh, I really liked these people and I really liked to work here and but I don’t know if I see myself like these in I don’t know, 10 years or 20 years and it’s like okay, even though it’s like the most scary thing ever. So I was like okay, that I think that was like the hardest decision so far as well. It was
Asia Ladowska
it was really hard. I did. I did love to people I still do. And I keep in touch with everybody like, Oh, I miss you guys. I’m coming back after six months. See you. And then and then I’ve got like, it’s 15 days left for me to decide whether I come back or not. And I was supposed to come back in September, but then I’ve got Kickstarter in September. So it’s full, lots of work. And then I have a Comic Con in Italy that I was invited to. It’s already I’d have to book holidays the first day. So I haven’t I can’t say I made my decision. But it’s pretty clear. The clouds are fading going away that I won’t be back at work in September.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, so that’s it. But it’s great, because you have not been okay for them. But for you that you have so many projects lined up. And you know, so there is like a ball rolling and you don’t know like what will happen in the house a year or next year? Because there might be even more exciting projects. And maybe if he told him a year, you will be like I made 50 books.
Asia Ladowska
Yeah, well, there is always I friendly for everybody. And I believe that if I if I like hide my tears, like, Oh, I didn’t wait, I want to come back. They will. They will get you back at work. But I will do I will do my best and work really hard to make my own thing happened. And I’m passionate about it. And every day I have so many ideas. Like I wish I had more people helping me. So far, my husband is very helpful and cleaning my tidying up my markers. Every time I finish brag. He’s like putting my markers into my face. Like, oh, I look, I see your computer’s not fast enough. So maybe if you go on holidays, I’ll buy you new competence where the computer and it’s gonna be better that he’s thinking about everything. And I am super grateful for him. But because I wouldn’t be able to do everything myself.
Iva Mikles
Yeah. Because also you have to find the time to be creative alongside everything. Because most of the time the organizing and project management is sometimes more than
Asia Ladowska
my teach him how to edit videos. Fully Andre Jose, like
Iva Mikles
it’s really good. Yeah. So you just need the assistance for you know, like editing videos or something like that. So yeah,
Asia Ladowska
maybe one maybe one day I’ll hire someone. Yeah, definitely.
Iva Mikles
Because there are websites as well, like Upwork, or these kinds of things where you can find like, part time help. So that’s, that’s the idea. But yeah,
Asia Ladowska
I don’t really trust people doing my work. I’m like, so pixel perfect. Even Even when my husband is doing work for me, I’m behind him, like, did you check it twice? This dress was an employer, I was rather, it will be hard for me to hire other people. Like, I might need more hands to work.
Iva Mikles
If you have a good person, or you can like trust the person, he takes maybe a few videos, where the person will learn like, Okay, this is what you want to have cut out or this is the transition you prefer. So yeah, if you have someone good, then they will know what you prefer. So
Asia Ladowska
yeah, true. All right. Yeah, I believe there’ll be time for that right. Now, yeah, it’s so much work to do by one person, you know about to yourself. Video Editing and emails and contacts. Yeah, but
Iva Mikles
at least I have also like my husband helping me with everything. So like organizing stuff. And so because I sometimes, you know, when you do everything at once, like illustration, talking with clients, doing the videos, recording, editing, and posting on Instagram and everything, and suddenly the end of the day, and you’re like, What have I done?
Asia Ladowska
Sometimes it’s like 9pm, that’s my usual usual time to post something on Instagram, and I and I haven’t done anything for Instagram. That’s such a stress, stressful thing. I don’t want to say I do that. And like keep in touch with people and motivate and inspire them every day. But sometimes they even they don’t know that they added to my workload, sending me emails that I have to read and reply to and you know, sometimes doesn’t get anywhere, but I just still have to spend time replying to them.
Iva Mikles
Or maybe you can reply to people in stories. You know, like, you record yourself replying to most common questions, maybe that’s fast.
Asia Ladowska
People keep asking the same question all the time. All the time. What kind of markers do you use? 50 times under each drawing.
Iva Mikles
Maybe then you can show me everything the story like
Asia Ladowska
Yeah, I did put a lot of frequently asked questions and my story highlights on Instagram. So that’s a good place to check before you ask any questions. And I always refer people to the video with them last year because I did answer so many common questions in the video. And the video was so helpful for me. I referred everybody knows like, yeah, that is that I answered this question. 50 more in the video. Just please check it out.
Iva Mikles
It’s really good. Yeah, because then you don’t have to. Yeah, Repeat every time so that you can help more people who are like asking the same question. And if there are new questions, then you can reply separately so that the community can help each other. Right? If someone already read the answer, maybe they can reply to the other person if they see the
Asia Ladowska
community community, which is by Sunday night, I believe that will be helpful to I have joined some discord channels for other artists, but some communities are just too big. It’s really hard for me to find myself there. But I think if I start my own community, like the smaller one, that it should be good for people to like, find answers and help each other. Yeah, I think I put my next goal on Patreon, like you reach certain amount of patrons or open a Discord server, and we could share all the information but I don’t usually have time to repeat all the time. And I will also offer like feedback sessions. So once a week I’ll check works and give feedback to people when they can improve on and others can learn on it too. So again, I do real life HR and the more of us the better. We could dry community community and start something amazing.
Iva Mikles
Oh, perfect. Yeah, so people can look for that one on Patreon. And so the exciting projects which are in the future is the the book which is coming out soon, then we will Yeah, but Kickstarter, and then you mentioned as well, the the festival, you’re going to write also retiring.
Asia Ladowska
Inspiring, with we’ve been talking for a while via Instagram, and always planned to meet each other. But when she was in London, I couldn’t come and like vice versa. I don’t travel much myself. So it’s finally happening. I’m gonna meet Cyrus, I’m super excited about it. And on the festival, it’s a common kind of thing. And it’s sadly it’s fine to Expo. So I’m not sure whether this video is going to be released after it or before, but it’s at the beginning of September.
Iva Mikles
So this will be right before your Kickstarter then. Yeah, so this will Yeah, it will be around the time.
Asia Ladowska
Around that time. But after after the deadlines of my submissions were all files for the book. So I made sure I didn’t agree. So I think that would just collide with the working I’m back.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, that’s true. And what about the other projects, which are excited about in the future? Do you already know or the book is the main thing.
Asia Ladowska
The book is the main thing and because I’m every time when it’s coming on time, and I’m scrolling my Instagram just watching everybody’s going to Comic Con and I want to go to so maybe for next year, when I learned what it’s like to go to a Comic Con outside doing my own thing and just attending comic cons. That’s, I guess that would be the second thing to look into when I’ve got a book then I can like take 20 books with me and then sell or shorter book on the Comic Con, there’ll be a nice thing to to have with me.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, because you will always have them and then you can do some book signings and people can Yeah, yeah.
Iva Mikles
Yeah, definitely. Oh, that’s
Asia Ladowska
really cool. Yeah, I don’t really want to overload myself with projects because I don’t know yet. How would I handle the stress, everything is so new. And like, I have to learn how to handle everything. So I didn’t plan anything else after book I want to rest.
Iva Mikles
You planning also some, some holiday somewhere like Japan or somewhere else in the area
Asia Ladowska
somewhere else. This time, I’m planning to visit my best friend in South Africa. So yeah, I plan to visit him in November. So that’s again after the book and after everything’s done a bit of a break. And maybe some collaborators because he is an amazing artist. And the picture I’ve got from him over there is I love looking at it every day. And we’ve got one collaboration so far and I hoped for more collaborations to come I’ve learned so much from him and from his tutorials that he has, he has some Gumroad that was also a good starting point. For me that was the first tutorial I’ve been learning from about Copic markers and about digital art and I agree I’m trying to squeeze as much as I can from him than the knowledge so he teaches me everything he knows and he’s a really good teacher. I also recommend he’s he’s tutorials.
Iva Mikles
Good so we can put the link there as well and so that’s really cool. So you have so much like going on and like
Asia Ladowska
even though even though I limited myself and reached out to so many jobs in so many collaborations so far and for prioritized work that isn’t that sounds like a lot of is going on
Iva Mikles
right? It’s true and maybe you can visit also in Switzerland area we can go around and we can maybe even do a vlog so yeah, no,
Asia Ladowska
I hope so. I hope so I feel invited now.
Iva Mikles
So now it will be online so it’s set in stone, so
Asia Ladowska
I don’t mind. I do feel that Freedom. And it’s amazing. Like when you’re not tied to an office job, and you can work from wherever it is just amazing to book a flight. And yeah, next time we can meet in a coffee shop and record an interview or video and say, That’s
Iva Mikles
okay that we can put it on the to do list. I like
Asia Ladowska
I love chatting to the UI is always so refreshing and so inspiring. So
Iva Mikles
Oh, me too. So yeah, I’m really happy that you joined us here. And the Yeah, maybe let’s do another follow up when the book is out. And all of the new projects are coming up. So yeah, I’m sure people would love to see that.
Asia Ladowska
The amazing. Yes.
Iva Mikles
So thank you again, for being here. It was super nice.
Asia Ladowska
Thank you. Thanks so much, you and thanks, everyone.
Iva Mikles
Thank you again, and thanks, everyone who was watching or listening and see you guys in the next episode. So, guys, thank you so much for listening and sticking around until the end. And if you’re interested in some of the things we talked about, I will put these links in the description so you can check it out. And if you want to watch some of the YouTube videos, you can just head over to artsideoflife.com/youtube or just go directly to YouTube. And you can just let me know what you think in the comments. And if you would spare five minutes, I would really love if you can write a review on iTunes or Spotify or wherever you listen or get to your podcast. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much again for being here and talk to you guys in the next episode. Bye.
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