Ep.92: Running your own design studio with Alli Koch

By Iva Mikles •  Updated: Jan 17, 2018 •  Interviews

Hey, guys! In this episode, I am chatting with Alli Koch, the owner of Ali K Design from Dallas, TX. She designs in modern, minimal style full of neutral colors. Each design is a one-of-a-kind, made to order and created by hand.

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Key Takeaways

“Confidence, work-life balance and networking are the key!”

Resources mentioned

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Special thanks to Alli for joining me today. See you next time!

All artworks by Alli Koch, used with permission

Episode Transcript

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Creative, artistic, happy! That’s you. There are endless possibilities for living a creative life. So let’s inspire each other. Art Side of Life interviews with Iva.

Iva Mikles

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the next episode of Art Side of Life where I chat with inspiring artists five days a week. My name is Iva, and my guest today is Ali coach from Ali Kay design, and you will learn about how she got to start her own brand and a company and how to gain confidence.

Ali Koch

Yeah, confidence. I was really I had a little bit of self doubt. And sometimes I do like, I get kind of like, oh man, there’s better people out there like why did they ask me but then it’s like no ally like they asked you for a reason. Like you’re working hard like you’re creating beautiful things.

Iva Mikles

Ali is the founder and designer of Alakay design out of Dallas, Texas. She specializes in creating custom illustrations, calligraphy, and designs while teaching others to create beautiful things through Alakay designs consists of design that are modern, minimal and full of neutral colors. with pops of color here and there. Everything is made to order and created by Him. Therefore each design is one of a kind and ready to meet each client’s specific needs. And Ali also loves to share her knowledge with others hosting workshops to help them fulfill their dreams of learning more about illustrations, lettering, and owning a business. In 2017, she published her first book, How to Draw modern florals, and she is engaged more and more in creating murals in her hometown, and other areas. So please welcome Ali cart. And let’s get to the interview. Hello, and welcome everyone to the next episode of Art Side of Life. And I’m super happy to have here my guest today Ali Koch. Hi. Hello. So let’s start with your background. And maybe you can tell us a bit how you go to art and what was your like, biggest decisions you had to do?

Ali Koch

Yeah, so always kind of doodled on everything. If there was a piece of paper, it had some type of doodle on it. I started going to school I did like interior design at first and then chickened out. Everyone around me was like, Oh, you need a business degree. What are you going to do with art kind of that like whole starving artist talk. And so I got a degree in marketing, got out of school and actually couldn’t find a job with a business degree. Everyone was telling me that I needed. So while I was interviewing for jobs, I kind of picked up art again, because I had missed it, going through business, picked up some doing little hobbies and things like that while I was interviewing. So I posted some stuff that I made on Instagram and most of the stuff I just started off with myself and things that I would put around my apartment, and then making some stuff for friends. And so I would post that or give that to them. And Instagram is a crazy, crazy world on its own, I post one thing and then 10 people see it and they’re like, oh my gosh, I want one too and long story short, it just kind of snowballed from there more people solved the things because every time I would make something I would post it so they would see that more and more that I was making and more and more people started to contact me and wanting wanting some artwork so it really started off with like making signs and loaded like Etsy little things like riding on globes or wood things like that. And then there’s kind of gradually turned into really what I I like and what I want to do I typically I’m really drawn to more like pen and ink and paper instead of anything else but paper which is how I started off with and quickly learned that I actually didn’t like that I liked the paper part so quit doing that in my business and then really flourished on the other side. So that’s kind of how I started

Iva Mikles

and now you also do like different materials right I saw that you did like a jacket or other stuff right?

Ali Koch

Now I’m starting to get into like what can I do other than paper so I love leather still has that smooth consistency that you kind of find with paper so painting jacket It’s, I do a lot of wedding invitations so a lot of those jackets for our for brides are doing some for a company with like, their logo on and things like that. So those are really those are really fun just to kind of do something a little different. Be creative.

Iva Mikles

And do you have like a favorite tools? Is like favorite brand of pencil or free favorite ink?

Ali Koch

Yeah, Micron pens, I use them all day, every day, all day long. They’re they’re my favorite. I definitely go through them like they’re candy.

Iva Mikles

Perfect. And what was maybe the best advice you ever received when you were like starting your business?

Iva Mikles

Um, the best advice is kind of also like my worst advice. At the beginning, everyone’s like, just always say yes, do as much as you can build your portfolio. Never say no to an opportunity, which I took. I literally didn’t say no to anything, just trying to get my name out there mean as much as many people as I can. Things like that. But now it’s like to the point to where like, Okay, do that in the beginning. But when does the beginning kind of end? And when do you feel established enough to start saying no. So that’s where I’m kind of at, at the moment of, I’m making myself sick saying yes to everything. I can’t do it all. So it’s that kind of battle of when do I say no? And when do I say yes?

Iva Mikles

And what does it like kind of mean in your head? Or what is the conversation with yourself when you have to decide to say no?

Iva Mikles

Oh, man, you don’t want to? It’s, uh, oh, my gosh, this is awesome. I’m so happy that they contacted me. But then it’s like, I look at my calendar. I’m like, oh, man, I really probably shouldn’t. And then it’s like, oh, it’s just sleep. Or it’s just one extra thing, when really you think that it’s only going to be a couple of minutes or a couple hours. And then God forbid if something goes wrong, then it’s more hours or days that you don’t plan. So it’s just like things of like, really trying to balance that work. And then also life and trying to make tie. No, it sounds bad. But having to put life on your calendar, like you have to like make time to be like No, the you can do anything, either at this time or this day, and kind of really striving to stick to that. As much as possible. So

Iva Mikles

do you plan for example, I don’t know, Saturday is I don’t know, sports, they are family day or something like that. Yeah,

Iva Mikles

I tried to really, um, I tried to really like Fridays, like don’t work at all Saturdays, I do like a podcast with my dad. And then hang out with him and then hang out with my husband. It’s just trying to get over that guilty feeling of when you work from, from home and for yourself. Majority the time you it’s hard to kind of switch that on and off. Like when your computer’s just right there, like, Oh, let me open it up and see or it’s on my phone or like, Oh, let me check this email. It’s like constantly never off like a nine to five job where they go to work. They sometimes leave their computer there and then they never see until the next morning where it says, I’ve literally feel like I’m checking my email all the time or thinking of new ideas and things like that, like I’ve never asked. So. I’m trying to get over that guilt is is challenging. I think a lot of entrepreneurs have the same kind of guilt sometimes. So definitely, like keeping myself busy. Naps are totally okay. Like, it’s yeah, just reminding myself that it’s totally okay to not be working all the time because not one person works. 24/7

Iva Mikles

Yeah. What are you talking about? That’s not true. So when you were starting out, did you have a mentor or someone who inspired you?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, so I got really, really lucky. And my dad is actually a kind of mode, motivational speaker, he speaks to Fortune 500 companies on accountability and leadership and things like that. So he is just a man full of wisdom. So I’ve grown up quite a bit of just really soaking in everything that he offers, and we talked about, so I’ve had breakfast with him. That’s kind of like our little tradition every Saturday since I was 13. So we would just talk about life skills and when I started the business like business tips and things like that, so you He has he’s really helped me quite a bit. So not I know not everyone’s lucky enough to do that. I did do one like six months with a business coach, just to there are some things that my my dad is always my number one cheerleader. So he’s always like, Oh my gosh, you can do it, you can do it. But I needed someone to kind of like push me and be like, No, actually, you’re doing that wrong, and you need to be doing something else versus someone who’s always like, Yeah, do that do that. So I did hire a business coach for six months just to kind of push my buttons and really get me thinking about things in life and life balance, and it’s helped quite a bit.

Iva Mikles

And what was maybe the best lesson what your father told you.

Iva Mikles

Oh, man, um, I’ll never forget I’m growing up, I was a huge perfectionist, like, I would literally scratch a whole project and start completely over if there were like, one line that was just a tad bit cricket. Because all I could see was that one cricket line, even if the whole project was beautiful, I would have noticed that one cricket line. So my dad told me, he’s like, if it wasn’t perfect, it wouldn’t look handmade, it would look computerized and you didn’t do this on the computer, you did this by hand. So that’s what kind of gives it that characteristic of this being handmade. So pretty much everything that I do at the, when I look at it, and I finish it, I’m like, it wasn’t perfect. Or if it was perfect, it wouldn’t look handmade. So that’s kind of been like my motto. He’s full of full of tons of different things. I mean, I could be here all day talking about all the things that he he tells me so. But that’s probably one that really sticks out.

Iva Mikles

Perfect, then now when you think about your branding, or what is your vision? Or how do you position yourself on the market? How would you describe your brand?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, I think when I first started out, um, I went through being by yourself, you have a lot of like reflection and thinking about like how you want to dress and how you want to act like in school, you’re always surrounded by everyone else. So you kind of like form to like what the popular girls are wearing and things like that. So I think going all through school, I was really influenced by what other people thought and loved and what they thought was cool. So being by myself for majority of the day, when you’re an entrepreneurial, I kind of really found myself and found what I liked and what I wanted to draw and kind of like my brand soda sense because it’s technically branding myself. So those kind of first two years were really crucial to my art. Because I started off very colorful pinks and glitters and things that I thought were what every other girl wanted, and liked which granted a lot did. But it was more for the other person and not really for me. So I within those two years, I kind of transitioned and saw what I really liked and what I was really inspired by and took out the color not really inspired by the color. I’m really inspired more of that black and white and that ink and more textures and things like that versus Girling glittery things don’t get me wrong was a really pretty but it’s just not what inspires me. So I was really able to hone in and I think it kind of set me apart a lot of calligraphers and a lot of illustrators that’s kind of how I started in the business was in calligraphy majority of the time. So they were doing all of that on the side of like the pinks and the blushes and so when I kind of took a 180 and was like no I’m not gonna do that I’m just gonna stick to this I think it really kind of put myself in a different pocket and this kind of what propelled my, my brand and where I am today and where I’m where I kind of stepped out of that I didn’t want to categorize myself as a calligrapher, more of as like a visual artist to where I can do multiple things visually, not just calligraphy or not just leather jackets or I mean I do I wrote a book on how to draw flowers and painting murals all around town. So just a lot of little things that I can create with my hands.

Iva Mikles

And what is kind of your you mentioned the inspiration they have maybe something which is strange It inspires you as well.

Iva Mikles

Um, I don’t know if it’s strange, but I love love love going to nurseries looking at plants. The minute I step into nursery I just feel good It’s just kind of like my peace and calming. And I put my phone away and because yeah, touching hands with plants, so it’s just a time where I can like, sit and look at the plants and look at them differently. And I really get inspired when I go there. Oh, perfect. Yeah.

Iva Mikles

And so when we’re talking about the inspiration and how you started as well, what would you advise people to start with? Or our audience? You know, like, if you are totally new, and if you have maybe favorite tools or mediums that you’ve started with? Or maybe what, as you mentioned to us now,

Iva Mikles

yeah, I think a lot of people use Instagram as inspiration. And it can really, it’s a love hate relationship, at least for me, it can really get you into a bad mindset really quickly. Sometimes when people go to look on Instagram for inspiration, they start to compare and they start to look poorly on them stuff like, Oh, I’m not doing this or she’s so much better than me. Like I know for a while there’s like a good six months to almost a year, I kind of had to get off Instagram, I still posted on my stuff because I Instagrams, like the one thing that that I can put my my work out there and grow my business. But looking at other people’s works, I just kind of had to stop and not look at that. So I could really find my style versus trying to find inspiration from other, another person style. I didn’t want to mimic or draw too much inspiration or try to edit never wanted to have another person mimic or copy are influenced too heavily on my style. Finding your own style is what’s really, really going to propel you again from being different from everyone else. So I think just really finding like, I started to draw flowers a lot. I loved that nature wasn’t perfect, so I didn’t feel like I had to be perfect. So going to get real flowers and things like that. That helped. That helped quite a bit. My favorite tool. Probably the easiest is using the iPad Pro. It’s just so I mean, I use it every day. Almost sometimes all day. I just love even if it’s just me doodling. It’s super easy. And if I don’t like it, I don’t feel like I’m wasting paper killing trees. I just swipe and then it’s gone. Well,

Iva Mikles

and the use of procreate app I guess maybe? Yeah. And what is your favorite flower?

Iva Mikles

My favorite power is the anemone it’s really hard to pronounce. But they’re I love them. Typically granite majority of the time you see them black and white. So it’s a very sad a lot of color. They have color anemones, but my favorite is probably the black and white one and then obviously peonies and Proteas and oh, man, I could have some I love a mob but anemones probably my favorite.

Iva Mikles

Oh, perfect. I don’t even know which one it is I will have to Google it afterwards.

Iva Mikles

It’s pretty once you see it, you’re like, oh, yeah, that looks like alley.

Iva Mikles

And so how do you design your day because you work on different projects and podcasts and everything. So how does it look like

Iva Mikles

a day right now is completely different. I’m trying hard to get more into a routine I think routine is really great for people. Granted, I don’t want to be like okay, nine o’clock, I got to start working in the O five o’clock. Now it’s time to, to end it. I think that’s the flexibility of entrepreneurial life is what’s really great. And we I want to hone in on that. So I mean, if I want to start working when I start till three, that’s great. If I don’t sometimes there’s even days where I don’t start working until eight o’clock at night. Granted, I’m up till two o’clock in the morning, but I am a big night owl. So I definitely like to like sleep. And so each day is really, really different. If you would have asked me this two weeks ago would have been going to Chick fil A getting breakfast answering emails, now I’m trying to do yoga and some more stuff that’s better for my body, not fast food all the time. So I’m just trying to really, really kind of focus in on better well being and not working all the time.

Iva Mikles

And so when you are like combining your income source from different projects do you have or how do you build your income people, you know, the legs and all of that?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, and I should have paid more attention to math class for sure. It’s definitely Money is, again love hate relationship. I love it. Everyone loves it, I think, um, but then it’s also sometimes it’s hard asking for it. It’s just like, Oh, I really liked this project. And since I really, really like it, it’s hard to charge someone for it. But then it’s like, you have to realize that, like, you’re have to have value and make a living and things like that. So I’m really, really fortunate to have a husband that supports me and we can fully survive on his income, which is really nice, especially starting at the beginning because obviously, I didn’t really have that like starving artists phase I never like was negative. I think maybe like one or two months I was negative and I spent way too much money on silly supplies that I didn’t need. So I kind of like really honed in on like, Okay, did I really need these supplies? No, not really, I was buying them for like a what if type of purpose. So now I just only buy my supplies for the projects that I have guaranteed, the deposits are paid, then I go buy my supplies and things like that. So it’s it’s nice that we can live off of his and then all of mine just kind of like extra fun money. So takes off a little bit of the pressure of having to support myself fully. So I’m really grateful for that.

Iva Mikles

And with about the the project you are working on now or something you can share, like which will come out in the future or something you’re excited?

Iva Mikles

No. So I started doing murals, and I live in Dallas, Texas. So I started doing them. My very first mural was outside of my studio, and then someone saw it and they’re like, oh, I want one and then that again, that triple effective, like, oh my gosh, I want one too. So I’m just now recently getting inquiries for murals outside of Dallas, Texas. Some of them I can’t say at the moment because they’re still in the works. And I don’t want to jinx it. But I’m really, really excited to be able to expand that art outside of Dallas. So hopefully, hopefully that works out cross my fingers. Oh, perfect.

Iva Mikles

And when you will be creating murals, they will be also black and white, or will you go more to colors later on already than though yet?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, um, so some of them I typically keep beloved black and white. Obviously, some of them needs color. There’s a big wall here. It’s we call it like the heart mural, because it’s a bunch of hearts, but then it’s also art. And it’s just so many different colors. So that was probably the most color I’ve ever seen. For a whole week straight it was just working with color. So I definitely can I definitely use color and I know when color needs to be used based off of the project. So and of course color always draws people and some murals, sometimes it’s a little easier to, to add in color, as well. But most of the time, I’m mainly inspired and then feel like I do my best work black and white. So

Iva Mikles

how do you keep yourself motivated?

Iva Mikles

Um, I definitely so for the first couple of years, my husband just kind of looked at my business as a hobby, which it did, it started off making like little signs and I opened an Etsy shop, which a lot of hobby like side businesses have. So for the first year was really kind of proving to him that, no, I didn’t need a nine to five job, that this could actually be a business. So I’m for that kind of really kind of put the fire underneath my belt to really prove to him that this could be a business and it is profitable. And I can get my name out there. So for a long while it was proving him wrong, essentially. So it didn’t take long at all. He’s like okay, Ally, I get it like you’re doing a really great job, just keep going now. So I think it’s just just kind of beating the odds and really like, like, not a lot of people can do this. And a lot of people can build a company from the ground up by themselves, just with their two hands and heart. It takes a lot of heart and courage. So I think that’s a lot of motivation, for sure. And I’m getting to the point it’s really crazy, and I just never thought this would ever happen. But a lot of people on Instagram are contacting me like oh my gosh, you’re you’re inspiring. Give me more confidence. Like it’s just crazy that the work that I’m creating, either for myself or for someone else is also giving life to something else that I don’t even know about or giving someone else confidence and things like that. So I think that is really, really big motivation to just keep going.

Iva Mikles

And do you have maybe some Instagram thieves or something? You know, you’ll learn over time?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, oh my gosh, going back. And looking at my Instagram photos. I was so embarrassed. I think everyone does that. Like what was I thinking? Natural light, you have to use natural light. So if you finish something, a lot of people are like, Oh my gosh, I love this. I just finished it. I want to take a picture of it. But it’s 12 o’clock at night. Wait, do it in the morning. Take that photo and natural light it will. People are way more attracted to natural light photos. But then they’re also way more attracted to. To being really personable on Instagram. No one wants to look at a photo and then say like, Oh, look at this pretty photo, like da I’m already looking at this pretty photo, like have some meaning behind it, or what inspired you to create this pretty photo or things like that people are way more drawn into your personal life, which is odd. But a lot of people like personal life and connect a lot better through that, versus just a pretty picture.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, but it makes sense. Because like we all want to live kind of in a tribe. They we want to be like part of something. So yeah, also the personal life, it’s like maybe you can find something you have similar like with that person.

Iva Mikles

And you can relate to Yeah,

Iva Mikles

yeah, definitely. And is there something you wish you knew before you started the whole thing? Kind of like, if you would give advice to young self?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, um, confidence. I was really, I had a little bit of self doubt. And sometimes I do like, I get kind of like, oh, man, there’s better people out there. Like, why did they ask me but then it’s like, no ally, like, they asked you for a reason. Like you’re working hard. Like you’re creating beautiful things. So just confidence is really key. Everyone struggles with it, I still struggle with it. I bet a lot of even celebrities struggle with it. Like just having competence right off the bat. And growing that confidence is is definitely key and will help you kind of help you throughout the journey.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And do you have maybe like a favorite book you kind of give to people as a gift or like movie.

Iva Mikles

I wish I read. I don’t have time to read. I listen to podcasts and things like that. This was one of those cuz you give me the questions beforehand, which I really appreciate. And I was just like, Man, I have no idea. So I really I really don’t know.

Iva Mikles

So I know what about like movies and documentaries. Do I have time for that? Or not so much.

Iva Mikles

Fun times. I’m a big like TV person. I kind of but it’s this like, like silly little TV. A lot of a lot of times I like to like work in silence. And so there’s no distraction. So TV is a kind of a good, like, a good break to turn the turn the mind off. So. But it’s typically just like what’s ever playing on the television at the moment?

Iva Mikles

And what about the favorite podcasts? You mentioned? Some some inspiration?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, um, I will obviously listen to is it weird to listen to your own podcast? I listen to me and my dad’s podcasts. I’m excited to listen to this one. I had to really I’m really excited to hear what other artists are doing. Um, I just kind of like really kind of Google or not Google, but search what I’m like, want to learn and then kind of find that podcast based on the mood and that day.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And do you have a favorite quote as well?

Iva Mikles

Um, well, probably what I said at the beginning, like if it was perfect, it wouldn’t be handmade. So I think that’s kind of like my my motto for sure.

Iva Mikles

Yeah. And now I’m thinking like, with the with the project, and the book you mentioned, like can you describe it for people as well? Like, what is the Book about?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, so I wrote a book recently. It’s a step by step tutorial on how to draw different flowers. So there’s 25 different flowers succulents kept die, and I break it down step by step with illustrations to kind of do teach people how to look at this flower and really break down the steps. And people seem to really like it. I’m amazed by the flowers that other people are drawing, learning from my book. And it’s, it’s really great to follow along on other people’s journeys.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, that’s really nice. And maybe what was your like, favorite project to work on so far, or maybe something memorable?

Iva Mikles

Yeah, I’m the I did a the mural with like, a lot of heart, the heart mural that was really, really great. I’ve gotten quite a bit of work from it. Because I worked with rewardstyle. I don’t know, if you know about, it’s like, the blogger industry. So the blogger industry is just crazy, massive, a monster of its own. So that was really fun to work on. It took a full week, literally 8am to 12am every day for seven days. So it was pretty big and hot. But it was it was so much fun. I met quite a bit of new friends through that project.

Iva Mikles

And how do you do networking? Now, you mentioned social networks? And do you also go for events and like, these groups are a part of Facebook groups as well.

Iva Mikles

I’m a part of them. I’m not really active on them. It’s just one other thing that yet I would have to keep up with. It’s hard enough trying to keep up with email, and then social life and friends. But majority of the time majority of my whole business I like 98% of it is through Instagram. Word of mouth is great. So I have a website, people can go and look on that. And I have a Facebook but I’m, I’m really horrible at posting on on Twitter, but Instagram is kind of like my bread and butter, for sure. Instagram and word of mouth.

Iva Mikles

And is there something which simplifies your life? Maybe either with posting or withdrawing? You mentioned iPad Pro. Is there something else you both and which kind of helps you every day?

Iva Mikles

Yeah. Um, iPad Pro is a life changer. I don’t know what I was doing. I mean, I do know what I was doing. I was thinking like, 10 times as long but it’s so easy to work on that. iPad. And then yeah, really just the iPad Pro is really just kind of helped me simplify everything. If you don’t have one I want the minute people are like, Oh my gosh, I went again to art. I was like, the first thing I asked is, oh my gosh, do you have an iPad Pro? And they’re like, No, and it’s like, go out right now. Go get it. It’s worth every penny.

Iva Mikles

Oh, wow. Cool, because I bought actually all the accessories already. I’m like, Okay, I’m buying it. I still haven’t bought it. So

Iva Mikles

you’ll be like, Oh my gosh, why did I take so long?

Iva Mikles

Perfect. And what about the future? And you could think about like five to 10 years and you cannot fail? And what would be your dream scenario and you’re not afraid of anything?

Iva Mikles

Oh man proud. Definitely traveling more. I definitely want to travel. It’s great that I can take up and do what I love to do, wherever. So definitely, Dallas will always be my home base. But I would definitely love to be able to travel more with with my work.

Iva Mikles

So where did you go so far? I’m

Iva Mikles

not for work. But I’ve traveled to Japan. That was the first time I’ve ever been out of the country. cultural shock for sure. But I haven’t really I’m I’m working on it. Those murals hopefully will get me out of Dallas. But I’ve only been doing this for three years, almost three years. So hopefully, I’ll be able to travel more. And get me out of Dallas.

Iva Mikles

And you do some workshop now recently, right when you were teaching or speaking.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, I do. Um, I teach like modern calligraphy brush lettering, a little bit of watercolor. I do like private lessons. I love doing those. I love love teaching. I think it’s definitely my purpose in life is to kind of tell it like awesome make things but also teach others that they too can create beautiful things. So I do that and then we’ll slowly try to incorporate how to draw florals and teaching things like that other outside of the book, obviously.

Iva Mikles

Oh, perfect. I mean, that sounds really good. Big. Maybe you can travel with it too, you know, like teaching conferences and stuff. Yeah, I

Ali Koch

would love that. Perfect. And

Iva Mikles

the last question I want to ask is about far, far future and what would you like to be remembered for in 100 years?

Iva Mikles

I’m probably being true to myself and just be an inspiration to other people. I think that’s the biggest compliment. Never in a million years thought that this would ever happen. I was just making art just to make art and I had no idea that it would be inspiring. So that’s, it’s a really, really great big, huge compliment. So I’m just keeping that going for sure.

Iva Mikles

Perfect. Then, before we say goodbye, maybe you can share like last piece of guidance or advice or key takeaway for our audience.

Iva Mikles

Yeah, um, just work life balance, for sure. Being confidence is key networking meeting people. There’s so many things that I’ve I bet you cover with all of your amazing artists and your podcasts. So I’m excited to hear but for sure, I think definitely, I guess the good takeaway here is confidence. I like it.

Iva Mikles

So thank you so much, again for being here. Nice.

Ali Koch

Thank you so much.

Iva Mikles

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